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Beautiful truck, beautiful condition; what’s the engine? It sounds like a 8v71 Detroit
It is. This truck was perfect.
It would be truly amazing to find an electric motor that powerful. It would be more likely a small diesel engine to have power like that. Regardless a fascinating truck I’d love to have sitting in my garage or even in the house
Let’s buy one hot stuff. We can hit the road and never return.
Amazing article! Can’t wait until this weekend. We are going to rock the show.
I want this.
Are they still using that Autocar towtruck?? It’s such a beast and I hope Syr DPW never gets rid of it!
Hard to say. I drive by the garage five days a week, twice a day and have yet to see it move. Maybe it will it show up at auction some day? Save your money! 😉
Get more pics of it if you can!! Once that beast is gone, you’ll never see it again!! No doubt that Acar would make a great lawn ornament.
What time does this start and finish up?
9AM – 4PM. Most trucks are onsite by 11.
buchmacher unibet Good post, thanks. Do you have a Youtube account?
Sure do. http://www.youtube.com/user/dingus8888
You can’t make a silk purse out of sow’s ear.
Great pictures. Thanks for sharing.
This was awesome, Eric. Amazing semi. Glad you shared it!
Glad you liked it!
I was looking through some of your articles on this site and I believe this website is very informative ! Continue posting .
Neat subject matter! Have you seen this website: http://www.cnyfiretrucks.com/
I had no idea such a page existed, thanks!
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Did you notice when the guy from first nations was walking back at the end and talking about his equipment wasn’t junk, there was a tractor in the background with one of the front wheels falling off?
Yup, lot’s of scrap metal in that yard.
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Now that is some good writing.
What an awesome sight!
This may be inappropriate but I don’t care. I LOVE YOU! You are smart and funny!
That Horbas is an ass.Bought Koval Transport in the 90’s which ended up closing.The guy doesn’t know shit.I see the office manager is a native named Geraldine Horbas.Boy,did he marry her to get the business?
Well I guess we know where you were for the week! Interesting read. I was there earlier this year and I was impressed with their bus fleet too – how many they had running around between all the parks and the relatively short waits for each bus.
Haha, yup. Diesel activity is pretty well hidden on the Disney property. I guess most of the truck activity happens at night.
Rely very rare old dump trucks not even able to think that in such a good condition and work properly as seen in the video.
My idea- keep these coming
I like it. Do they come in the traditional 950 payloader yellow?
Wow! I buy great gifts.
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First time here. Nice blog and great post. Well done.
A little correction. I believe you are wrong on saying Barrett Paving Materials changed to Hanson Aggregates. Barrett is still Barrett today. Actually the Solvay Process Quarry is what was bought by what is now Hanson Aggregates. Also Barrett Paving Materials took over owner ship of the blacktop section of Hanson at the Jamesville plant. It is a little confusing as they both seem to occupy the same location. I believe Barrett Paving Materials used to quarry their own stone for making blacktop but part of the deal with the take over of Hanson’s blacktop plants was that Hanson would be supplying the stone, some one else may know more details on that.
REALLY!!?
Thanks for the info, I believe you are correct. Now that I think about it I believe both companies have a sign up by the main entrance.
You can’t only show us half of the other truck!
What is it? An old Mercedes or Unimog? Looks interesting
Can you believe that I left without taking a photo? It was another old GMC, military style. Something like this one.
AppeaR
Get the hell out! I was tempted to go get a bag of pot when I saw this one.They should somehow hook it up with SpongeBob. But really everybody knows you can’t kill a D9.LMAO!
Nick
I’m sure pot was had something to do with the creation of the movie. That said, time for a remake!
So sad to see all the real snow fighters of upstate NY get sold off just to be replaced with a shiny new truck that will only be able to do half the work of its predecessors.
Very but at least we can grab some photos while they are still around.
It is green.
But what shade green?
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Now I can deal with a little chrome if the truck is as beefy as that Western Star!!
I’ll have to see if I can it after being outfitted.
Looks pretty clean considering its age!
Agree. It has been sitting behind the dealer for a few years now. Make an offer and it could be yours. 😉
haha I’m still saving up for an oshkosh on auctions direct! Hey, I will be in your territory this week, I’m working up north of Syracuse all week. Any suggestions for plows in Oswego/fulton area?
I drove by the City of Oswego barn once and it was huge, tons of old iron moving about. Looked like it was an old factory. Of course, this was years ago but I’m sure there is good stuff still around. It’s not like Oswego can afford to replace anything.
What year is it and model ?
who owns the machine? i’ m real interested it, I could you the whole front end or whole machine.
I have what I believe to be Trojan 6000. Has big Cummins. Runs good. Needs lift cylinders on loader resealed as they leak. Tires are good. Main seal on motor leaks. But seems to get better more we use it. (It set for awhile before we got it). Asking 12000.00. thanks 308 520 0091
That is a nice c/5o. I own one as well and wish mine was that nice. Do you know if that one is a diesel? I thought I may have seen a pulg hanging over the front bumper…
Good question! We have a 50/50 chance of being right!
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It’s always good to find a woman who can enjoy (tolerate) their significant others truck obsession! (my girlfriend is a saint!)
You might also find this company interesting as well!
http://www.demodiva.com/
The pink LEU613 is for a local oswego county refuge hauler. The pink color is a special promotion from Mack Trucks for breast cancer awareness (a bigger version of the pink ribbon). It will get a gray packer body, then lettered up. If you want more photos just ask, I am the service manager for Beam Mack Syracuse.
Rick
Thanks Rick, any pictures of this truck or others would always be appreciated!
I have a 75 Big Horn and I am getting ready to re-store it for the second time. Looking for some parts, any suggestions?
Pete
A good bet is always the folks over the ATHS.org forums. Tons of knowledge and contacts. Good luck with the restore. Would love to see some photos of it.
Hi Eric,
I saw one of the Jb Hunt Coronados today at Pilot on 7th North. He was hauling a Cargill grain trailer, much larger than any tanker I have ever seen.
Patrick
Small world, I saw one bob tailing on 690 West this evening. Didn’t take long for them to hit the road.
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I have never seen anything like that before – that’s pretty neat!
10 sticks?? What if….. one operator could really have one “joy” stick for the front plow up/down motion and a second similiar “joy” stick controller to steer the TowPLow out/in and up/down, clearing 24′ wide and then in less than 2 seconds or less, pull back on both sticks and everything is up and in!! It is about time to try and make it easier for operators to perform without 10 sticks for hydraulics in the cab. Welcome to what is happening on the farm to highway snowplowing. We do not use 4 row planters anymore.. MoFarmBoy.
Sounds good to me.
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Cool, I have yet to see one in person myself. Which Milton was it at? I’m guessing it wasn’t Batavia?
Syracuse Branch. Cool looking truck, can never have enough variety in the truck world IMO.
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Thanks! How about the keys for the weekend? 😉
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Based on the air cleaner shown in the photo, that Diamond-Reo Giant probably was a later model and would likely have an NTC-300 BC-I or larger/later engine, not an NTC-290. The NTC-290 had a smaller horizontal mounted air cleaner.
Good to know.
How do u find ur divers 4 the shows here is my number if u want some more divers I don’t. Where u find them but here is my number 302 228 6281 if u really want a dam good diver since my son was killed that all he wanted 2 do iss 2 b on the rig with me is hard 2 talk about I’m sorry I know u all have thing 2 do but when my son was killed by a D U I asshole I don’t know what 2 do with my self but 2 drive u know but if u need a driver u have my number gary
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Cool video.
Looking forwards to your MATS 2012 coverage.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Excellent website. Lots of helpful info here. I’m sending it to a few buddies ans also sharing in delicious. And of course, thanks to your sweat!
I have been coming for the past 4 years gets better every year thanks for having me. my mailing address is 363 maxon rd. Schenectady n.y. 12308.
Cool old iron! I known that Swedish Hill Winery over in Romulus, NY, has a B-Model Mack on site. Seemed to be in good condition, too, last time I was there.
Darn, drove right by that place.
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It just so happens…that I know a “whole-lot” about these machines!!!! For you see….I literally “grew-up” with them!!!!! My Dad…worked for Trojan, for 15 years, 1963 to 75, and was a “field” service manager. He was later promoted to…Product Development Manager. Believe me…”NO ONE” at the Batavia,N.Y. plant….knew these machines….and how to keep ’em running….better than he did!!!!! We actually lived in Batavia, from 1963 to 68. I was driving these machines around the yard at the plant,when I was 12 years old!!!!! There was the 1500,1700,1900,2000,2500,3000,4000,6000,7500,and the 8000. There was also the T-80, an 8000 converted to a “tow-tractor” to pull the AIR-FORCE, C-5 GALAXY cargo-plane, but it lost out to…OSHKOSH. Also…the experimental…6000-“TURBINE”…yes a gas-turbine powered front-end loader….that in my DAD’S own words…..”Couldn’t push a sick-whore off a piss-pot”. Seeing these machines again…bring back many fond memories for me. Hard to believe…that the same plant in Batavia….now produces “wicker furniture!!!!” I guess…”nothing lasts forever”. One thing I can tell ya….in their day….these machines gave Caterpillar….”A RUN FOR THEIR MONEY!!!!!” Bill Hamilton, Tucson, Az.
Thanks for the info Bill! I wonder what ever happened to those gas turbine units.
Bill, I to use to work for Trojan from June 1974 till August 1990. I bet your dad’s name is Don. I worked in the R and D lab. My boss was Bob Moore and he used to work for your dad. Thanks, Bill Ettinger
bill, i’ve been searching for info on a trojan tractor shovel the i recently acquired. i believe its a lt400. i haven’t been able to find any manuals. ssbtractor sold me one listed as an lt400 but they sent me a 400 manual. the loader has a reo engine swapped in to it. i have driven it but i have no idea what ranges its supposed to have. all the labels are missing except the tag on the torqmatic transmission
HI Bill,was just reading some posts about older trojan loaders.Had a few questions have a trojan 134 with gas engine was checking trans and tourque but not sure where to check levels and type of oil in them any info would be greatly appreciated thank you.Or if you could point me in right direction it was my dads old loader and i am getting it fired back up he passed a few years ago and time for me to get it going again.thank you
I have a 134-A Trojan loader that I’m going to refurbish.
it has a info plate on the side that is very readable that has the information that your looking for I believe.
I could take a picture of it for you.
Bruce, that would be great, thanks
Looking for a secondary hydraulic filter for the 1700 Trojan loader. Have made arrangements to have one built but the plastic spacer that goes in the hydraulic filter has gotten broken Also if you know where to get a part number or the spacer or the filter would be great any help is appreciated
Help i have an old trojan 1955 hercules diesel
I have a tran question for u if u can text me we can talk 315 879 7783
Hi Eric, with regard to the…TROJAN model 6000-“TURBINE”…..I can tell ya that the….”FIRE-BREATHING-DRAGON”, as it was nick-named….never made it out the experimental lab at Batavia. Truth be told….it was a….”engineering nightmare” from the start. The engine, a revolutionary design by the Ford Motor Company….was a gas-turbine configuration. Designed primarily for stationary generator use….it couldn’t stand -up to the constant pounding and jarring, associated with a front-end loader, and was “prone ” to failure!!!! My DAD told me…. that the each engine,was brought in by Ford, in special “covered trucks” at night!!!! Once installed in the 6000, they couldn’t run it inside on the test-stand, because it one time…..”set the lab roof on fire”, from the exhaust!!!!! Hell, every time they took it to the near-by gravel pit to test it under load conditions….it had to be “towed-back” to the lab, due to “ENGINE-FAILURE!!!!!” When a technician from FORD….asked my DAD about the performance of the “TURBINE” under load conditions….he responded with his….”FAMOUS-PHRASE”….”That Goddamn thing couldn’t push a sick-whore off a piss-pot!!!!!” Forgive me, but that’s a direct-quote. The sales manager at the time, George Bassinett, was ready to put this machine out on the market,at a price of I believe, $180,000 dollars. The problem Eric, was that the engine alone….cost, are you ready? $475,000 dollars!!!!!! Now, ask yourself……who in their right mind….is gonna pay $500,000 dollars, for a turbine powered loader, when they can buy a CAT, 966, or 988….for a hell of a lot less???? To sum it up….the “ill-fated” TROJAN 6000 “TURBINE”, was a “failure”, from the start!!!!! Bill Hamilton, Tucson, Az.
Bill, if I send you pictures of a Trojan Yale, can you identify it for me and help me get a manual and repairs done? Its the one that looks like eye brows over the lights, small unit with 2 yard bucket, no doors, sliding window to climb in and out
Yes I can. Please email me the info.
Bill good to see that you are still up on trojan. I worked for town of batavia highway and we had nothing but good luck with all of our loaders. Does george and swede in pavilion ny still work on these? Oh by the way we went to school together.
By the way Eric…..It was “my-pleasure” to share my memories of Trojan loaders with ya!!!!! They were well-built machines….ready to take-on CAT, and just about anything you could throw at ’em!!!!!! My fondest memory….is the day we “PARADED” all 14 machines, down Main Street in Batavia, out to the Holiday Inn….for a big sales and promotional show. Talk about a “once in a lifetime” sight….you would have loved it!!!!! 14 machines, from the LM75….to the 6000….in single-file, driven by all the “secretaries” wearing mini-skirts, black panty hose, and….white “thigh-high boots!!!!” Needless to say….”IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!” Batavia….hasn’t been the same since!!!! If ya get the chance to get up-close to that machine…or find another Trojan, there’s a good-chance that my DAD’S fingerprints, are “all over it!!!!” And…..if ya look really-close….you might even find some of mine too!!!!! “All The Best”……..Bill Hamilton, Tucson, Az.
Hey bill…if I forwarded a picture to u could you by any chance tell me a estimate on the year and model. Thanks Jfog
Bill Hamilton,
Can you help me find a pump for a 1989 Trojan 1500Z
The loader has a Weser WA-340-3 with the large manifold mounted to it. Aftermarket retrofit is ok too
Paul sancobg@gmail,com
Hi Bill
I have just buy an Trojan 4000 -77 with 8V71
Can you help me find oil specs for gearbox and Converter and how to check and fill it ?
Best regards
Anders
Sweden
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Now that’s a find!!! I do believe it’s a 358. The stub nose is a giveaway. I’d love to know what municipality owned it.
I would have thought so too but the hood said 359.
It is a 359. The panel under the door is the give away. that one os about 12 inches high where the 358 the panel is only about 3-4 inches..With the 359 Brockway raised the cab and made the radiator larger to accomidate larger engines.
By what little of the front hub I can see it is a Coleman conversion which was usually done in a Howe-Coleman shop, or possibly the factory, when the truck was new.
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I am the owner of that truck then and now. When I bought it from a salvage yard in
Whitefish Montana it had a lot of pipe fittings in it. The pto had been used a lot so
I am guessing that it was a water hauler probably for wetting down roads or maybe
as a tanker for fire service. I use it still on a auger trailer to get feed for my ranch.
Very cool! I guess that solves the mystery. Thanks for visiting, keep in touch.
Amazing!!! This is the golden find for Triple D!!! Those Syracuse Autocars were just awesome.
I forgot to mention it also use to say bureau of Reclamation below the department of energy
Wow, this truck was the government special!
Nice collection. I’m thinking that those GMC Astros are late 1970s as by 1980, the Astro shared the same big grill with the GMC General.
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I know it was a Mack promo video, and they were concentrating on the Titan up front, but not all the push trucks were Macks (like the video implied). I know I saw at least one Kenworth T800, and maybe a Freightliner.
True, a few months ago I posted a video of this same operation and only saw the kenworths.
Good to see Tracey Road Equipment making it out there in the cyberworld. Nice post!
Thanks Raj, Tracey Road always has something interesting each time I stop by.
Sort of looks like a 1950s Ford C600. Or maybe a GMC Canonball. It’s interesting.
I totally can agree with that with the way the hood looks.
I lost all respect for some of these “Andean” truckers, specialy Hugh, Tim and Tino. They were racing through some of the roads with no concern for peoples, animals or other vechicles that may have been traveling in the same route. Also, seem that they have no respect for the private property of the locals, they think that they can get away with murder because they come from a more “developed” country. Let me tell you something Mr. Bear, Tim & Tino , you may come from a more developed country but you guys have very, undeveloped morals & respect for other human beings. I hope that the TV channel/truckers took full reponsibility for the damages they caused to the houses, roads, cars, property being hauled. If you guys did the same here, your asses would have been sued to a crisp. Lisa and GW see to be the more polite and respectuf of the bunch in all maners.
I believe that’s an early 1980s Peterbilt 359.
Thanks, hard to bet against the 359.
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I’m not sure what I liked better – the officer running along side calling out the location for an obnoxious distance or when he actually gets in the scraper, the best idea he has is to randomly pull on wires under the dash.
I think I just found my new favorite truck.
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T800 is a sharp looking truck!
Uggghhh I only have my permit, wonder if I could co-enter with someone who has a class A?? lol.
I feel your pain.
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Believe it or not, Edsel.
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Wow, Nice Find!
If you want to see some awesome scale MOW equipment, check out this guy’s work:
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I used to work at the Duplex truck division of Warner & Swasey in the 70’s. We sure built some great trucks. I still have a couple of the “Duplex” name plates. If anyone needs one let me know.
Thanks Mark. Maybe I’ll go find a Duplex so I can take you up on your offer.
I would be interested in one of your Duplex emblems . My dad , Howard Walker retired from Duplex/Warner Swazey but unfortunately he never brought any momentos home other than some black and white photos of some of the trucks when they were delivered to the county road commisioners.
I would love to have one and mount it with the other pictures.
Thanks for posting your message..
Sincerely,Dick Walker
Hello Dick
I am working on a book about the Warner & Swasey Construction Equipment Division which included the Duplex Division in Lansing. Your father Howard Walker did a fine job managing the company before and after W&S purchased it in 1955. Great carriers for Gradall.
I worked with Tom Yosick Duplex service manager at the Gradall Division for 30+ years. Tom worked for Duplex before joining Gradall.
Was your book published? My son just bought an old Duplex and we would love to find out more about it’s history and what year it is.
Good evening…Having had a dad and brother that both worked at Duplex I would be very interested in one of your emblems if they are still available.Dad never brought anything home other than some pictures.Please let me know at your convenience. Best regards, Dick Walker
I think the none on the top is a R700.
Superliner!!
Correct! Good eye!
Well, I got the “R700” part right, anyway.
Don’t forget about the ATHS show on Sunday, July 8th, at Longbranch Park in Liverpool, NY.
Oh, I’ll be there!
Cool! See you there.
No, it’s not just you, those front tires do look a little small; but it could also just be the angle of the photo. I really like the LTL9000. Crouse Construction here in Chittenango has a couple of LTL9000 dumps.
I plan on trying to make it out there on Saturday!
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They’re C500s. I found a few more examples out there on the WWW that have the single piece windshield. I checked the Kenwoth Website for the C500 brochure, but it’s from 2001 so it doesn’t show this cab.
Another mystery solved.
Hi Eric – I’m Sue with R+L Carriers. It’s great to see our trucks made it into your blog! We take pride in our people and in the way our equipment is maintained, with our focus always being on ensuring our customer’s freight is delivered in a safe, timely fashion. Thanks for the post! – Sue
Thanks for the visit!
Thanks for the shout out. Were enjoying the tour, the trucks and the reference to the hair band. I love the last sentence, well done. Stay tuned for more cool features on these awesome trucks.
Big thumbs up from the Kenworth T680 tour.
Peter
Thanks! Good Luck on the tour! Wish you were stopping by the Kenworth of Buffalo location in Syracuse, NY!
The young lady going around passing out the cards,and”chatting”was a very nice person.I don’t remember her name,as my memory was dampened by the rain(lol),but thanks for the business card and chatting about “trucks” with me/us.Good luck with your website,and hopefully your father stays on as a member!!I learned at the meeting Friday afternoon that the politics of the ATHS is like any other situation out there,no matter what you do,but,WE do this show,and are a part of these chapters because we”LOVE” old trucks,and LOVE to show what we have!!Each of our trucks are “UNIQUE”in their own way,and the more we see,the more we like the group we are in,as we ALL have the same passion,OLD TRUCKS!!Keep on truckin’,and hopefully your dad stays “on board”as a member,if for nothing more than,”I’d” like to see HIS International,as that’s what I have,a cabover,and an 8600 series,which is not antique,but EVERY International is a COOL one!!
Sincerely,
Don Slate
Don, thanks for the visit. My wife Jennifer will be happy to hear that her hard work paid off with at least one visitor to the site! I would love to see your trucks some time, if you have any pictures feel free to send them my way, eric@dailydieseldose.com.
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Hello I like your pics, was woundering if you have a pick of the B-Model that was next to the R Model of Trinio in your first set of pics.
Thanks Jack
Hi Jack, sorry, what you see is what I have. I was overwhelmed with the amount of trucks onsite!
Really?
Really.
Were do you buy a ticket for the 55 green truck, love it, love it please reply back.
Sorry, John, that contest was from last year. The truck already has a new home.
This is a beautiful story. I am so happy she did not disappear for
good.
Construction fenders and all! Nice find!!
Thanks! Still plenty of Brockways waiting to be found.
That DOT 761 on Pinterest to the right, you or Ryan wouldnt happen to know the serial on that truck would you? Just want to see which one of the 7 it is.
Sorry Jeff, no clue on the serial number.
can someone call me with info on the 2012 Truck Show at Longbranch? 315 945 0544 thanks Alan
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I was thinking about heading to CNY this weekend, this might just be enough to seal the deal.
I’m planning on being there!
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That is a beautiful work truck! Keep posting those Western Stars! Love the 4900’s!
The 4700 series is so disappointing in the looks department. They should have stuck with the 4800 or 4900 style hood. That thing is just plain ugly. Looks like it’s trying to be a Freightliner SD.
It seems that outrageous/ugly grills seem to be the trend for most new trucks, big or small (think Ford Super Duty).
That is a sharp looking International! BTW, I see highway department plows in the background!
Correct! Town of Salina. They have a great fleet of Internationals, old and new. Nothing is ever left outside, ever. They even lock the gate to the empty lot.
As much as I detest the newer chromed up plow trucks, this has to be the sharpest WS I’ve seen rigged for the snow!! It’s quite impressive!
Dan, I was thinking the same thing. Great find of the IH too!! I love it!!
Agree. The Western Stars look good, like they have the stuff to actually plow.
I’m glad to see my 1987 International 9670 Eagle made the “cut” for the pictures you took!!Cabovers”don’t seem to”cut the mustard” in anyones”albums,but I’m glad you took a picture of it and put it here.Everything is “usually” about Macks,but I’m glad to see there was some interest in mine.THANK YOU for the picture,I appreciate the fact you took the time to photograph it!!She’s one of the nicest ones I’ve owned,and hopefully I can continue to add to her and make her even better!!
Sincerely,
Don
The pleasure was mine, your truck is absolutely beautiful. If people don’t see get well that is their problem and loss!
Cornfield cadillacs “STILL” live!!
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Looks like a J&J PVT (tanker) made right here in Somerset, PA
Nice picture
Spot on Kurt.
I know the engineer very well who is in charge..is the design of these…I’ll send you some cool pictures
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Your website is very artistic. I enjoyed the writing. Flowers are a true blessing. Everyone to enjoy. I have bookmarked your site for my family and friends.
Thank you
Mary
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They sure have nice looking equipment. Can’t vouch for their food, but they have nice trucks!
taking photoes is all well and good but who can get out there and actually save these trucks from the jaws vof the fukin scraper
pictures are easy who is going to actually save them talk is cheep
Thank you for posting about our new fleet.
The Patriot Fleet trucks represent those that have served and sacrificed for our freedoms. We are honored to add these five Patriot Fleet trucks to the fleet and proudly represent America’s heroes.
We will continue to find ways to recognize those that have served and hope to keep adding to this fleet in the next few months and years to come.
Thank you!
Andy Brabec
Director of Communications
Crete Carrier Corporation
The pleasure was all mine.
Eric…it is JCB
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i love centro bus is my number 1
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really super pgm … and also ver thrillng pgm ……. only talented person only access t prize… i tink derik and stuart … both are t very talented driver”s..
Is it a PC450? If so, I think that was out this way a few years ago. Very cool find!
It’s a PC600LC. I’m still waiting to see it in action.
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Hmmmm. Town of Lafayette possibly?? I see they are auctioning their AWD 6 wheeler
I will investigate further.
DM690s!! Great looking dirty mixer!
Patrick,
Where about(s) within Johnstown, PA did you come across the 361?
I live in the same area…would love to see it.
Kurt
I speaka da english
You do?
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Thats a 761 Eric!
Awesome video!!! Hey look theres me!! lol
Thank you for the service to our country Gordon!
I love that truck, my father says if we keep ours for another 20 years, I can have one just like it! lol
Eric, very cool
You need to get one of those GoPro HD HERO2 camera’s with the suction mounts…for some outside pictures while in movement…Kurt
I m being erious.Where do you learn how to get licensed to drive these monsters. I live in a mining area and would like to know how to educate myself with these s a better means of living. Pluss how cool would it be to say I get to drive one every day.
Check with your local mine. These trucks require a special set of skills that you can only learn on the job. Good luck!
We just had the honor of driver Greg Roberts bringing the ride of pride to our POW wow in Cookeville,TN On October 7th 2012 . My grandfather Tommy veal which was a veteran and the founder of indigenous intertribal Corp. Would have really love this. We salute you Greg for your dedication to our country and our company Schneider national.
Eric, I have a 2004 GMC7500, 33000gvw dump truck. After putting a half millon miles on single axle GMC’s in the last 30 years, from a 72 C50 ,a 78 C65, a 85 TopKick, 88 Brigidier to the 7500 I must say it is by far the best one of the bunch. My only complant is the C7 acert cat engine. The $5400 heuy pump repairs at 60
k miles and lack of throttle response stink! Just one more truck for you to drive
when you come up to check out the B collection.
I stand corrected!
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Nice pics, Eric. As a lighting fan, I found your photos while looking up Musco Truck on Google. Walt Disney World hires-in two of these Musco Light truck-units each year to light the huge pre-race staging area at the Disney World Marathon (which I’ve run several times). I think the trailering unit towed by these Freightliners contains a huge diesel generator unit. Each truck/unit holds about 90,000 watts worth of HMI arc lighting, so they need alot of power.
When I saw the night tightrope walk at Niagara on the news, I figured Musco was lighting it. These pics confirm that. Thanks / nice photos. Mike in NC
Thanks Mike!
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I have a 86. 5 star general tow truck
I tow the newer trucks with it. Makes me laugh. It still runs great.
Cool stuff… and I know who owns the yellow one, but I’ll keep the surprise…
This an interesting little can of worms.The tractor changes during the movie anyone notice this.After the fire and its all burnt out it is a rare Freightliner
Interesting, I will have to try to find a copy of this movie now.
Love the new head lights on the Diamond! And the radiator cap.
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It is probably a 1967 T-400. The rounded radiator was replaced by 1968, but the angular cab was not introduced until after 1966, at least based on 1966 and 1968 T-600s I have seen.
Thanks!
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The Phoenix mixer is from Cranesville Block Co. http://www.cranesville.com
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Yes, many trucking companies here where I live have gone to a solid colored cab; usually white. The days of seeing multi-colored truck cabs is almost a thing of the past, usually only seen on some fancy owner/operator units; even most of those are only single colored too.
Nice shot Eric.
I thought you might be interested to know that this truck was originally a single axle when new. The conversion to a tandem occurred in early 1994. The tandem rears, frame and dump box were pulled from a 1972 GMC JE9710 gas job that was formally Madison County Highway Department’s unit number 42 out of their Wampsville division. The GMC was taken out of service in the Spring of 1993.
By the way, the International in the background is also a former Madison County truck (old number 6 out of the Wampsville division). It is a 1973 Fleetstar 2110A with a VS-549 mated to 5 + 4 transmissions. This truck was sold to Lenox in the fall of 1998. The Town of Lenox re-powered this truck with a CAT 3208 later I believe. By the way, the hood on this truck was actually from a 1974 Fleestar 2010A Construction model the County parted out in 1991 (old number 70).
Actually now that I look closer the dump box is not from the GMC, but the rears and frame are.
Wow! Another great find Eric. This truck used to belong to Empire Asphalt which used to reside in Solvay up the road from Crucible Steel. Their yard was clearly visible from 690 and is now used by some other contractor. I don’t live in the area anymore so not sure who the new resident is.
I always regret not getting pictures of the Empire fleet. They had a White Compact distributor too along with (2) Brockway 158’s, a Brockway 759, a Ford NT950 and some Mack RD’s if I remember correctly.
This is an early model of these GMC short hoods. Clues are the white steering wheel, cowl-mounted turn signals & model emblem, and the engine badge on the hood. Definitely a 1966 or ’67. I would guess this has a 478 V-6 gas if it is an 8500 of this vintage. Doesn’t look like a Toro-Flow emblem to me.
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The town I grew up in had two FWD’s, one was a RB44, not sure what the other one was. A buddy bought both at an auction, used the RB to plow parking lot’s, blade straight and both wings Dow she’d sail through the nasty drifts of the building on one lot he did, granite curbing and all;-). I’m saving my penny’s to buy an FWD or Oshkosh and restore to it’s original glory, these are real trucks, perhaps real ugly, but I love ’em none the less
Well said!
We have one that came from Watertown, N.Y. If interested give us a call (631) 744-6060
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Excellent video clip…I love seeing the Old GMC 9500 hauling the load of combine heads…smoking on the factory floor…WOW, try that today
Thank you for posting, Kurt
what a BEAUTY…
I love em’ when they are “short n’ neat”… it makes them look bulkier..
I have a 1973 Cargostar 1610a that I have been using since 1993 for my work. I want to keep it running. Looking for parts.
I have a 1972 International Cargostar 1610A with a 12-foot steel dump bed. It has a little over 57,000 miles on it. Truck is sound and runs but needs a good mechanic to go over. I have used it on my farm but no longer need it.
I’m a bit surprised that no one has mentioned this yet. The movie Moonfire was the brainchild of Mike Parkhurst of Overdrive Magazine. Yeah, it was as cheesy as it gets, but like you say, the shots of those old classic rigs is worth it. My wife suffered through it by making lots of snide remarks about the terrible plot, lack of acting ability and that one guys jumpsuit!
Mr. Parkhurst went on to be the main procurer of trucks for the Smoky and the Bandit movie series and has written a screenplay that he’s trying to get made into a movie today. Unfortunately, like Moonfire, it’s long on technical stuff that truckers would get but Joe Public wouldn’t care about or understand.
The name of it is “Semi-Justice”. It’s available to read through Amazon.
Very interesting. We need more trucking movies.
Yes, T-Man, I am “the” Mike Parkhurst, founder and long-time editor/publisher and sole owner of Overdrive magazine. Also published a slick-papered publication called RoadMasters in the 1990s and in 2004 produced a 100-page magazine
called, again, RoadMasters inasmuch as I stupidly transferred my Overdrive to
Randall Publishing of Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Speaking of films, I was also in
complete charge of a million-dollar advertising/marketing campaign for the
hit trucking movie “White Line Fever” and was heavily involved in the Stallone
arm-wrestling/trucker movie “Over The Top.” I was also involved in two
TV specials, “Truckin’ in Nashville” (A country/western musical special) and
“Falling For the Stars” a documentary about stunts in Hollywood. I also supplied trucks and some technical advice for 8 trucking movies for the big screen and TV as well as the NBC series “Movin’ On.” I am flattered, frankly,
that someone knows about my Semi Justice film project which, unlike a comment that non-truckers probably wouldn’t be interested, carries a lot of
interest for the general public inasmuch as I bring out how much oil there is in the world. The truckers, naturally, are heroes of the movie as they are in my
E-book, “Semi Justice — Digging OPEC’s Grave.” Just go on the Amazon search bar and you can see the great cover of the book and read, for free, about 15 pages of the book. I was in my late 20s when I created “Moonfire,”
and it was self-financed from the profits of “Overdrive.” While compared to
most of today’s action movies it was bland, with not a lot of action and only two
deaths, my purpose was to make truckers the heroes of the story, which in a
sense is what I have always done when I first thought of starting a magazine for truckers when I became an owner-operator at the age of 19. In any case,
if anyone wants to read my book, he/she doesn’t need to have Kindle but can
read it on ANY computer. It costs, wow, the astronomical sum of $5.99 per copy. If any trucker wants to read a paper and bound copy which I will personally autograph, it costs a lot more, $42 including Priority Mail shipping.
Therefore, if someone wants to fork over that kind of dough, they must
leave a message and phone number and I will call back to verify. That number is (424) 603-6122. And I would appreciate whoever came up with the
Daily Diesel Dose web site to call me as well as anyone who took the time to
read this. Since half of my bloodstream is diesel fuel and the other half is ink,
I feel I will be around to kick some butt for quite a while. And, by the way, although the ENTIRE TRUCKING INDUSTRY is a hero in my screenplay and
book, not a single rich truck fleet owner that I’ve contacted is interested in putting up a penny to get it made even though I have a distribution contract signed by one of the biggest and most famous film distributors. Why? They have no imagination . . . and that process is almost worth a book, believe me!
Take care, and, again, to save you searching for my phone number here it is
again: (424) 603-6122. Happy Trails! Mike Parkhurst
You, sir are a true legend and have fans aged 10-90+, myself included. I have always loved Brockway trucks and the kind press given to them by your magazine was something that I really appreciate as many were quick to dismiss them as some of the “ugliest trucks ever built”. But back to the movie, Moonfire was a really interesting project, and as a trucker / owner-op I have always appreciated all the detail shots of the trucks in the film. Thesteel dash Western RS-700 with the high mount cab, that even then was a pretty special O-O spec truck. It really is a good example that not all R model Mack’s were built as day cabs, dump trucks and garbage trucks. The accurate signage / livery of the trucks was great too, PSC numbers hand painted on the cabs, multiple license plates hanging on a swinging sheet under the bumper….all relics of the days before deregulation and IFTA. I personally do all I can to buck the trend of trucking becoming something the lazy use as a “job to fall back on” in an era of cookie/cutter aero model trucks with automatic transmissions and electronic controls for every system on the truck from the engine to the brakes. These days disgusting fat body pigs wearing flip-flops and elastic waistband shorts are the norm when it comes to truckers, and it makes me sick. My grandfather would kick me hard in the butt if I dressed like that in public, let alone while I’m working. Leather boots, pants, a tucked in shirt and a leather belt used to be the norm. You shaved and showered at least every other day when you were on the road, and took pride in your own and your truck’s appearance. I just wanted you to know that you are an inspiration to those of us who continue to do things the old way in spite of modern trends.
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Truck in foreground is a ’39 or ’40 Chevrolet.
Truck in background is a ’48- ’53 GMC, possibly a Diesel.
Thanks Frank.
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looks like a Manitowoc 555
The crane is NOT a 555, it IS a Manitowoc 16000, on Maple Ridge it is set up with 295′ of main boom plus the “wind tip”, series 3 counter weights. Total operating weight of the crane 882,000 pounds. In heavy lift configuration it can hoist 440 tons (roughly it’s own weight). In this configuration it can hoist approx 195,000 lbs to the tip.
To move the crane over the highway, it takes 5 guys, a 75 or 90 ton RT crane, 2 days and 19 tractor trailers to have it road ready.
ap40
you are correct. my bad. did not pay attention to the counter weights and the A frame
Could it be symbols for how many seasons it has seen?
Interesting idea, that would be neat if true.
those scrapers are old! I worked on a lot of euclid ts24 scrapers and still have a trailer with hundreds of new parts if anyone is looking.
What is the name of the demolitioncontractor. And is the PC600LC HRD owned by this company or is it a rental. I know LVI had one but it did not look as bad as this.
I believe the company is Ritter and Paratore out of Utica, NY.
Nice shot Eric. This is one of Onondaga County’s 2012’s.
Thanks Joe. I hope they have good luck with it.
They are safety markings, and are reflective. Its the same material that the road signs are made of. This is one of 2 that we got last year. They both have performed well for us.
Would you be willing to send me an email address?I’ll send you a picture(If I can) of my 1987 International Eagle that was up in W.Springfield,Ma.at the ATHS National Show in June 2012.
Sincerely,
Don
I am glad you enjoyed the video I have posted! It was sent in to me by Ken Harrison, a former Koehring Waterous designer. He put this video together back in ’77. He also put together lots of brochures in his time there.
If you are into this stuff check out the “KOEHRING WATEROUS FORESTRY EQUIPMENT”page on facebook.
I did! Very impressive.
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That would be the day
nothing put truck racing out of bussiness but nascar i raced trucks back then and people loved it at atlanta,rockingham,phoenix,pocono,bristol,dover,ontario,texas world speedway every track we went people loved it but it wasnt nascar so they made the tracks stop running us. the tracks wanted it the people wanted it but the giant nascar wasent making any thing off of it so it had to go. sad but true so we raced on dirt small tracks but it wasnt the same so it died. if you want to thank someone thank nascar old great american truck racer#44 virgil taylor
Hmmmmmmmm……Penn Can Road Materials maybe?
A good guess if you ask me.
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I’ll take the freightliner
Yea, but the Western Star is the better truck. We have Freightliners, Internationals and Western Stars, and the Stars are a far more solid, well-built truck than the other two.
dongfeng was a joint venture between cummins and the chinese government, it’s the best truck in china. However, cummins is now only a partner to dongfeng, just providing engines. I really would like a durastar with cummins ISB or ISC engine.
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Nice machine! Love the Western Stars! But I think it’s a 4900SB, not a 4800.
You are correct Dave. Thanks for stopping by!
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Hi Eric. Great shots of number 57 which is a 1999 International 2674 4×2. There are a total of eight of these in their fleet. These replaced 1988 International Paystar single axles auctioned in 1999. I have pictures of every one of those Paystars.
Come over to Flickr.com and check out my photos under my user name JMK40. Here is a link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91971712@N08/
Just Madison County Highway Department photos right now but I’m getting ready to put up some Onondaga County shots next.
Regards, Joe
I am really perplexed why Onondaga County would run that Freightliner in orange when all their trucks have been painted yellow for as long as I can remember. Could the Freightliner be some other municipalities cancellation? Factory demo? It has a twin, truck number 138.
Interestingly, these are both 2012 models and they also have 2012 Internationals and a Kenworth! Must be trying them all out to see what to spec to use going forward.
Right now Tracey Road Equipment has a near identical SD114 sitting on their lot. It has been there for almost a year so I am going to throw my money behind the factory demo guess. The Onondaga County fleet sure has diversified over the years. Plenty of Volvos and Sterlings running around. Mack seems to be the only nameplate they don’t use.
They ran a few Mack’s of early 1980’s vintage, like 1982 I believe. I know they had three 1982 Mack RM 4×4’s and also a few Mack RD686S tandem dumps. Otherwise, you’re right. There are none now and very few in the past either.
Feb 16 , 2013 Saturday .
They showed this show on the History channel and I found it not right
as a truck driver cause they dont tell you all the truth on this show .
I am a long hauler truck driver and what this show is showing is not all current okay
and I feel as a driver that they showed not air something they dont know anything about as well okay on driving truck all right .
If your going to air a show on driving truck well you better do it right then with a some real drivers as well okay . There’s law’s out there and there’s real truck drivers who dont care for this kind of act on a show of truck drivers as well .
This show is giving real truck drivers a bad name okay and its not right
as your air a show like this , dont air something thats going to give truck drivers a bad name who really drivers truck . Us out here who drive long or shot hual we work hard and this kind of stuff thats on tv. is not right or true okay !
I watch your new show and I didnt care for it and your putting something thats giving us truck drivers a bad name from your show as well okay . We work hard out here and we all know how it works out here driving truck okay .
Dont put a show on here or tv with saying something thats not all true okay
its not to us drivers on the road okay .
I hope your fix your show before your air it okay .
Thanks from Cowgirl / truck driver.
The Mack Superliner has long been rumored to be a Brockway design that was taken when Mack closed Broackway in 1976. A Huskie instead of a Bulldog, sounds good to me.
Cowgirl, did you really pay attention to the show??? I haven’t seen them put any of the drivers down that’s doing his/her job. Their after the thieves and the drivers who drop their units on the side of the road for any particular reason. But I guess stay turned and lets see what happens…
BTW I’m also a driver for over 20 years…….
I love how the one fella says he cant push the ford truck out of the way because he will cave in the radiator. The “ford truck” has a huge brush guard on it!
Nice looking International. Longroadpro has some really interesting videos of old trucks on YouTube.
Hey Virgil, if you read this, get in touch with me. We are starting a new big rig series and it would be good to know some GATR guys to help flesh out the history.
Thanks,
Mike
hi mike glad to here that someone is thinking of starting up another truck racing series that would be awesome if I can help just let me know. if anybody needs a driver I have a helmet
Hey did anything come from this ?
These were videos that used to be sold through the Antique Truck Historical Society. There were six volumes in all. They were great and visited some very interesting trucks and collectors. Best of all, you got to ride along. I still go back and watch them regularly.
The auto chains work great BUT when the tire isn’t turning the chains aren’t working. No problem on going but in a panic stop they can get you in trouble! We use them on our fire trucks and ambulances and some school busses.
The chains are great for black ice and a few inches of snow. Usually see them on single axles.This is the first I seen on a tandem.
I just watched the show for the first time and it’s complete b.s. every crew they followed obviously was a set up story, especially the cattle on the tracks.. I think history channel has lowered itself down to the level of TRUTV with this show….
I am a 32 year vet driving the highways of this beautiful country in a 18 wheel big truck. I have seen and heard everything from the deepest “bs” to doctors, lawyers and politicians who for some reason or another become steering wheel holders.driving big trucks. This tv show is the biggest pile of “bs” that I have ever seen. The trucking industry has a hard enough time with respect and reputation to have some group of jack-legged piss-ants trying to act like bounty hunters looling for stolen or abandoned big rigs. It doesn’t work like that and never has. To see some que ball so called retired pro wrestler as a big rig bounty hunter says alot about the validity of this show. Pretty sad that some people can’t find anything better to do than disrepect the very heartbeat of this country’s economy.
Want to hire Big Rig Bounty Hunter to look for some stolen tractor-trailers and
cargo..
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is it for sale? any contact info? someone needs to save it..
Phillip Gordon and Sons, 89 E 12th St, Oswego, NY 13126
Phone:(315) 343-2120. Not sure how far anyone will get but that is what I know.
I have one and its in good condition
Thanks for the replies. There is another new Western Star on the lot and it also has auto-chains, must be a growing trend.
Nice blog. I think that Mack Titan is the powerful truck that can be used in a heavy hauling industry. I want to try to drive that kind of truck because I think that will be the easy steering wheel of those trucks that I used.
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I just found this site today… going backwards I’m not sure if you have photos of them. There is that fella that has a small fleet of these in East Syracuse call Autocar Construction.
You have a nice little page here!
Andy
I do have some photos of their fleet but I have yet to post them. Really nice looking trucks. They seem to run they later model Autocars now instead of the older DC models.
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Did you ever see this truck again when it was completed? I’d like to see some pictures of the finished product.
Sorry Dave, I never caught up with the truck again.
Would like to be a big rig bounty hunter if there is such a thing. I am an over the road driver and would like to find out how a person can get into this profession. How do I go about checking into this?
I’m not that sure but I would guess making contact with local trucking companies could help. As you can see from the show much of the time just having a dependable driver on call for those “oh crap” moments is worth its weight in gold.
There are tons of unique trucks here! I only love around 10 minutes away from Manhattan.
The promised land!
This unit arrived in Fulton at the end of January. January 24th to be exact. I remember passing this on the Thruway that day on the back of a lowboy. You dont miss giant dayglow green machines like that.
Andy
Thanks for the tip, I will check it out.
I can tell you for sure, they were scrapped. I know the son of the fella that owned these. He was having problems with folks (meth scrappers) stealing his stuff and the town coming down on him for having that stuff there.
But wait there’s more. If you drive down to Callahan’s Marina on Rt 31 on the south shore of Oneida Lake near Rt 13, you will find some old trucks that he didn’t scrap, and some nice vintage equipment.
Andy
I was looking at Alex Lyons & Sons Auction site, and saw a photo of the GMC tow truck pictured here… must be this guy is all done and is selling everything off…
http://www.lyonauction.com/pdfs/5-4%20info.pdf?
Andy
You are correct. He has quite the collection of old trucks and cars. Almost everything is going to the auction or the scrap man this May. I have heard he is keeping his Brockway wrecker.
All the Autocars over in the midler park are owned by the guy in E. Syracuse…
Interesting….
I think the town of DeWitt still uses one of these, or the village of E. Syracuse… I remember seeing it drive down West Manlius Street not that long ago….
It must be the town of Dewitt. I believe they had more than one at some point. Just two years ago a former TofD Cargostar was at the ATHS Long Branch show.
My dad, Ervin Carpenter, used to race on the G.A.T.R series. I’ve seen numerous races from Atlanta to Pocano to Toledo Ohio. Virgil, I’m sure you know my dad and fought in the same battles as he did. The racing was awesome…sure hate those days are gone.
sure did know your dad he and I go way back before truck racing he and I go back to the days of Carolina and metrolinaand then we drove trucks for some of the same companys magnum and Carolina western I also worked for him twice sorry to hear about his passing I will miss him but I got some good memorys he and I used to have some good battles both on and off the track good to here from you sorry it took so long to respond but I don’t use this computer very much if you talk to Brenda tell her I said hi hope she is doing ok well I better go for now take care talkto you later
I remember these fondly. Those Detroit 6-71’s mated to the Allison automatics sure did scream!
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I wish they would stop working so early on Saturdays. I’m tired of getting woke up by giant jackhammers… ha ha ha
Love your show and one day would like to get up there.i own and opp a small towing company in SYD Australia
Does anyone have a fleet list of the disney buses & magical express? A fantastic way to get around the parks x
Thanks for the kind words Eric. Glad you and others are enjoying them. All these years sitting in the closet in boxes, it is good to be able to share them. And I have a lot more! All those years of being a “detail nerd” finally paid off I guess.
Regards,
Joe
I loved my 9670 cabover a 93 had 400 cat best truck I ever owned
I remember when the Louisvilles became rare, so sad to see the great S series become the next to get the NYSDOT gravestone.
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Nice catch. The 114’s are starting to grow on me a bit, although I’m not much on those breather units on the side of the hood. Looks like a cheap stick on accessory. See if you can catch some more of their Western Stars. They seem to be the favorite of the Onondaga fleet, and the sharpest looking trucks out there for a plow.
I believe the Alberici’s that own the apartment complex next door own this truck. The truck, runs, drives and moves, and is currently for sale.
Nice shots Andy and Eric! The first Brockway model would be a E361LL if it has a Detroit 6-71.
Strange front fenders on the blue one also. And yes to New York truck, the door stickers and winch.
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Great series Eric. You know how I love Onondaga County’s fleet! By the way, there is a Mack in the fleet there although I have never seen it. It is No. 134, a 2009 Granite GU713 tandem dump with double wings and a 2-way reversible front plow. Since I live in NJ now, I’ll leave it up to you CNY residents to track this elusive truck down!
For the detail guys out there, here is the rundown on the trucks in your slide show:
No. 191 = 2001 International 2674 6×4
No. 139 = 2012 Freightliner 114SD (No. 138 is the twin to this truck.)
No. 184 = 2006 Sterling 8501
No. 130 = 2008 Volvo VHD64F
No. 162 = 2009 Volvo VHD64F
No. 147 = 2012 Kenworth T-800
The last photo is another Sterling but I can’t see the truck number.
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Clarence that brown one I’ve looked at in boonville, saw them both on facebook.
you should see the new trucks we get to make into log trucks, and crane trucks. every one of them are that long. ive seen tons of them since i was old enough to know what a truck was. just got one 3 days ago we built brand new in 2000, took the body off, and the loader is next.
Pics or it didn’t happen.
The brown one was in Boonville, it now sits down near Oriskany Falls.
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wow..quite the collection…there is a similar bunch of this type of early heavy equipment in Utica N.Y. just off the side of route 5S …property falls between taft ave and East Broad st near the Utica/Frankfort N.Y. border
not sure who exactly owns it as there are a few repair shops in that immediate area and also a crane company that also deals with some other heavy equipment jobs
The GMC designation for this truck was the DF-Series. The one shown is probably a DF7000. A DLR is a diesel (D), set-back-front-axle COE (L) with an air-ride suspension (R). The DLR7000 had a 6-71 engine in it while the DFR7000 (diesel (D), set-forward-front-axle COE (F) with an air-ride suspension (R)) had a 6V71 in it. Eventually the “R” was dropped and the single axle became the DF7000 and the tandem axle was the DFW7000. These both had spring suspnesions. If the truck had an 8V71, then the designations were DF7100 & DFW7100.
I don’t thing this was a Yellow Freight truck because of the black fenders. Maybe an Interstate Motor Freight Sysyems, but who really knows.
Great shot Eric. I remember Saunders well from growing up in CNY. This old Autocar gas job was before my time though!
Appears to be an old Boeing C-141 Starlifter. The predecessor to the current Boeing C-17.
Actually, after looking closely at the info on this pic I noticed the 54995 in the
lower right corner. That is the VIN on my truck. I then called the previous owner who told me my truck had a sleeper cab when it was new! So the truck
in this pic is my truck!!!! Now I need to find a sleeper cab to restore it to its original configuration.
Awesome! I can provide a higher resolution scan of this photo if you would like. Just let me know.
I was down on Fayette St. last week, and watched a Syracuse Haulers truck with a roll-off backing into the old NYNEX building. With the roll-off halfway off the truck, the driver had at least four attempts going back and forth, back and forth. I watched as I waited for the light so that I could turn down Montgomery… He must not have been able to see into the building, it was sunny for a change…
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Virgil, it would be great to hear from you again……there’s a GATR page on Facebook, your old narrow nosed Pete is in the pics somewhere as well as the #21 which I recall you driving from time to time…..drop on in, a few of the old crowd is there too.
LOVE that Unimog! Good stuff!
Thank you for the video and compliments . I was driving Vitales Heavy Hauling Truck 207 Trailer 2921 with the crane track on it.
My pleasure!
It’s a West Coast thing…
The first transfer dumps were built by Knight Trailers of Vancouver BC back in the 60’s. They are still extremely popular here, and the Californians just took off with a good idea… 😉
And the backing up trick? You leave the truck in reverse, brakes off, and push a button that goes to the starter, thus backing up the truck. You want to be doing this on level ground!
Oh yeah, that’s a sweet old 359!
Thanks for the info!
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ME LIKELY LONG TIME!
Yeah, the description says “At the rear is a switch or a button that is used to engage the starter on the engine without starting truck. Since the truck is in reverse, the driveline backs the truck up.”
Crouse Construction here in Chittenango has two of these LTL9000 dumps; a red one & a blue one.
This would be an early 80s vintage, the hoods are a giveaway for the 80s trucks, but these early ones had the headlights setback in the fenders.
Thanks for posting Eric! The Autocar is a 1973, DC9964 with a PT270 with a jake. The transmission is a TO955ALL riding on SUDD rears on Hendrickson rubber block suspention. 11:00/24’s all the way around with only 83,000 on it. When new it was owned by the Town of Adams MA. treatment plant and I bought it from a local slate company saving it from the blue wrench!
eric..thanks for posting these..
For the record these pics were submitted by myself Dave .T but i put a bogus name when i set up my email acct several years ago and couldnt figure how to change it until the other day
.i have a lot more from around the utica/rome area that i recently found for the first time…i will have to get them together and shoot them to your email
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they shared the same grille for a while too! looks to be a nice untouched truck!
I hope the current owner takes care of it.
Is it easy to find parts for these loaders anymore?
Why did they become discontinued anyway?
Thanks
I’m not sure on finding the parts but Trojan was a victim of the global economy. I believe the company was purchased by a O&K (German Firm) who eventually closed the company.
I would guess it hauls firewood, the square headlights are just cheap replacements because you cant get the brockway ones easy
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they are both in a secret location, and the “huskidrive” doesnt exist, its just an F361
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When the job is done, they go surfing….
Beautiful machine, but it needs the dual external breathers.
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Looks like it could be for a large Liebherr dredge? That’s an awful big boom for a normal sized excavator. Here is a shot I took of a Liebherr 994 for an example – http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5098/5524628218_4e889e8eea_b.jpg
Good guess if you ask me.
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Cool shot. I love that the transmission is the old Spicer 16 speed, possibly the single stick air-shift version.
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I saw the “gussied” upped Kenworths and at least one more drive through Fayetteville on Friday or Thursday of last week…
They were heading into Roth Steel with scrap (I guess). Must be some sort of demo project out that way?
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Nothing that I know of, but sometime in November, ’12, I saw in Manlius rumbling down Rt. 92 a truck with the name “Wilkinson Salvage” on the door of a Mack R model with a roll-off dumpster on it. I really didn’t think anything of it, thinking that it was from a yard in Perryville. While on a “Sunday drive” we drove through Lathams Corners, southeast of Norwich by about 10 miles, I spotted a junk yard. I went to check it out and the name on the sign was “Wilkinson Salvage.” So that was quite the haul, heading to Syracuse to drop off a load of scrap…
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You are legend!!! I hope these Walter(s) go to a good place that doesn’t have hydraulic rams and torches!!
I got roughly 200 shots from the auction yesterday. We got up there at 9 am, we walked the yard. We left for lunch for a hour, came back and tried to last until they got to the back of the yard where we were waiting on some model A doodlebugs. We gave up and left. I know there were a lot of pissed off guys because Dobbins kept pulling things out of the auction. What he kept was really beyond belief, he also had been selling to folks weeks before the auction, one guy I talked to said that he was in during the past week with a 30 yard roll off picking up structural steel. I was surprised to see a couple of Oneida built buses (built in Canastota). Anywho, I’ll give you a link to the Google album once I finish setting it up….
Yes! Yes! Yes! I was hoping someone would make it to this auction and even better, take pictures. Great work Eric!
This is even better than I expected. The advertisement for the auction only listed one Walter actually for sale. I never thought there may have been more. More lost Onondaga County trucks found! Fantastic and right up my alley as you know.
The ad also listed an International A-160 4×4 snow blower. Did you happen to shoot that one?
Ooops. I meant to post this reply under the Walter section. Sorry about that.
Yes I did Joe. Stay tuned! Please feel free to use any of the photos you want for your Flickr Stream.
Thanks Eric. I appreciate it. It will be good to add the Walter’s to my Onondaga County set over there. I wonder what year the No. 104 was? Was that the only Onondaga County truck there?
Back in 1992, they auctioned what may have been the last two Walter’s in the fleet. Both were 1959 ACRS models, double wings and had the 4-wheel steering option. Unfortunately, none of the pictures I took that day came out.
Wow. These are a rare sight today in any condition. There is one that makes the ATHS show circuit that has been stretched and has some sort of flatbed on it now I think. It was for sale in the back pages of Wheels of Time a few years back.
I remember seeing these on the roads of NY fondly back in the 1970’s & ’80’s. While most were dump trucks, many were used as lowboy tractors as well. The Town of Sullivan (where I worked for a time before going to Madison County) had one of these they bought new off of State bid specs. They converted theirs to a tandem around 1981 and it has now sadly been junked as of 2005 or 2006.
I can help with the specs on these for you. I believe these were all built with Cummins NTC-230 diesels, Jake brakes and Fuller 9 speed transmissions. They were all 1976 models, hence the Bicentennial “776” model designation of what was essentially a re-badged 761 model.
Thanks! I will update the story.
Interesting about the SUNY Morrisville connection. The last time I saw one of these on the road was in the late ’80’s/early ’90’s in Morrisville and now I know why! Nice narration by the way. Really good.
The Town of Henderson Walter is a beast. Cummins V-903 and an Allison automatic!
For future reference, the Walter serial number gives you the model year with the first 2 digits so always make note of it when you see one. Sometimes trucks would be registered a year later, for example I have seen Walter’s with “58” as the first two digits of the serial number registered as 1959 models. But, as a rule it works.
By the way, that block of wood in the Watertown truck is the clutch! The pedals in these were so close together it seems unnatural and easy to mistake. The larger pedal to the right is the brake and the little, table spoon shaped pedal to the right of that is the throttle.
Looks like a pretty cool old shovel. Why is the video private?
Glitch in the matrix. You should be able to view it now.
Having sampled a version of that engine (in a 2007 ML320 CDI – 210 hp & 400 lb ft torque), I can’t wait till these trucks debut. I’m thinking that I may have to give my late father’s 2000 F150 XLT a sibling (a RAM 1500 4×4 Ecodiesel) some time late this year or early next year. That engine is dependable, fuel efficient (27+ mpg on the highway, 17 – 19 around town with a/c blowing in traffic), and incredibly powerful. 80 mph is too easy to reach in the ML (5100 lbs wet). My ex regularly shows other cars her tail-lights without much trouble. Keep in mind that hers in pre urea injection. Last year without it was 2008, if I’m not mistaken.
Who bought the town of Henderson Walter? I hope it went to a good home.
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Hi Eric. Nice shots! Would you believe I have pictures of this very Brockway that I took way back in 1994? Even then, it was out of service but was a little more intact than seen here. Good to know not all of the trucks I took pictures of have went to scrap. I shot it at the old Owl Equipment in Cicero. I’ll post them on my Flickr page soon and feel free to share them here too.
The engine is a Continental R6602. The 602 is the cubic inch displacement. Any time you see “Chrome Moly” on the engine, you’re looking at a Continental gas job. The Brockway is a 1962 by the way, and even when I took pictures of it 20 years ago the 50th anniversary Huskie mascot was missing.
The orange paint on the back indicate this truck must have been a municipal at one point in its life. By the way, love the A-160 IH blower.
Great info Joe. I had a feeling it was a gas engine. Simply massive chunk of iron.
You can see the remnants of a plow frame on the front too!!
How can you go wrong!
Love your web site!! Just found it !! awesome I’m finding out I’m not the only truck nut out there–found you-tube and now your site I’m slowly becoming a high-tech redneck and there is a lot of info out there—a lot of us think alike I’m 58 and I like the old school trucks prefere CUMMINGS buut I like em all I guess it goes back to childhood when I drove trucks for my dad starting at age 14 then legally at 18 so its in my blood I broke out on 60 international 220 cummins 10 sp road ranger drove a bunch of all of em—petes 5×4 -6×6-13sp diamond reo etc I think the 9 sp is like drivin a pick up w 6 sp — gimmie some GEARS this walkin beef wont get to market with that!!!!! enjoyed it we’ll be checkin in from time to time Keep up the good work
Thanks for stopping by! I’m glad you enjoy the site.
great job keep up good work I’ll try not to talk so much –I used to like to sit around our small town and listen to the old timers talk about how it used to be –now I’m one of the old timers tellin how it used to be
Nice looking old Autocar here. Thanks for sharing.
This is a very interesting looking shift knob for a Fuller 18 speed. I wonder if it is really a 5 speed main and 4 speed auxiliary with the Dana air-shift tower on the auxiliary rather than the 2 sticks one thinks of with 5+4 transmissions. It sure looks like it to me.
I can’t say I’ve ever seen one like it before. Your guess is probably more on the money.
The Brockway I drove at the Town of Sullivan had the 5+4 air-shift auxiliary, but I don’t recall if there were restrictions on using the lo-lo (or 1 position) on the auxiliary. Perhaps that might give 18 speeds instead of 20? This was the case with the Mack Quad box which is really an 18 speed transmission.
What a beauty! Really nice shots and walk around too.
Those who are all about the details? Mmm…could that be me?
It’s all about the details! I usually get too carried away and forget to look.
How much
Another cool series. Well done. I wonder if the blue & yellow White was an ex-Sunoco tractor? Sometimes these old timers get repainted so many times it is impossible to tell.
Did you happen to shoot any of the old school buses there?
Loved to watch the trucks race at Ontario Motor Speedway in Fontana ,Ca.
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I cant imagine the sound this thing is making, and there is a fella sitting there, eating his gelato filled crepe like nothing is going on 10 feet away…
Very loud but I guess when you need a gelato fix you figure it out.
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Let’s get racing back into Ohio
I wonder if that old C-70 came from LaBarge Bros.? The use to have quite the fleet of them. Here are a few that I found for sale a few years back…
Andy
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/andy_rezsnyak/2008/04-28/c70-1.jpg
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/andy_rezsnyak/2008/04-28/c70-2-1.jpg
I forget about that company. You’re right, they sure did lover their GMC trucks.
Estoy interesado en comprar Dumpers Caterpilar de 2008 en adelante, dumper 325 o mayor,, preferiblemente en Colombia pero podria importarla si elcontacto es directo en EE UU.
Now that is a serious dose of daily diesel.
with today’s technology and lightweight materials trucks can become much lighter and use less tires. this would keep reading surfaces in tact with much less damage. American truck companies need to research and make prototypes. Let’s get big truck racing back on tv
Totally agree. How do we do it?
Looks like a great show. There were trucks of all shapes, sizes, & variety. Thanks for posting.
Love seeing/reading your posts, I look forward to them everyday. Thanks for sharing all your photos
Hi Eric,
found your H60 Payloader pictures in the net.
Is it possible, to let me have your permission, to publish those 2 pics on my website http://www.ihc.de ?
with best regards from Neuss on Rhine / Germany
Matthias
Great shots! Love those zero tail machines, especially the Volvo ones!
Wow. I am trying to place exactly where this place is in East Syracuse. It almost looks like that claw operator is actually moving stuff around during the fire!
This place is right near the corner of James St and Thompson Rd. The current story is a bunch of car seats, plastic and other non metal items removed from scrap cars caught on fire.
Ahh…okay. Now I know where it is. Head up the street for an over-sized omelette at Mother’s Cupboard.
It is an interesting move at a time when natural gas (CNG or LNG) is becoming the new topic of curiosity in the industry. With the Marcellus Shale find, natural gas has become plentiful and cheap. However, the big road block is fueling locations, a situation which is changing as facilities pop up more & more. Second to that is the high cost of the Cummins-Westport engines and the fuel tanks.
I imagine this will be the challenge with the DME fuel as well – where can I fuel up if I don’t invest in my own system? It will be very interesting to see how the system prices up.
Re: DME
Ive worked with alternate fuels most of my career..fleet conversions to Naural gas, even porposals for LNG truck fueling ..as well as 10kw Fuel Cell project for the Army.
Natural gas as a vehicle fuel (CNG) has been around since the early 90’s. It may have some applications for limited miles fleet vehicles that return to a filling hose, has natural ga pipes there, and can refuel overnight. I do not belive it has any legs. It requires not ony a filling station but few people would be comfortable with a steel tank, wrapped in fiberglass tape, with a regulator siting a couple of inces from the kids in the back seat. It’s going nowhere ad I don;t know why people are still dicussing it. LNG..no. a cryogenic -260 degree fluid? way to volatile and the supply is limited to Natural Gas Utilities that are mostly up north and liquifythe gas to use for winter peak shaving capacity.
DME will be the fuel of choice. Look at Oberon or Alternative Fuel Technology, or the International DME Associations webbsite for mor info. Now that a common rail pump has been ugraded to resolve the wear isses caused by the low lubricity (DME is like JP-8) its ready to go.
As far as infratructure…Oberon has a skid mounted DME facility that can be put about anywhere.. it is stred like propane – low pressure – so it has an infratructure that many are familiar with and comfortable with. It produces zero soot, it is largely nn-toxic (its in your aerosol cans) no no train wrecks polluting like oil.
It’s at the point of critical mass this year. There is an article I read recently “DME the best fuel you never heard of” Interesting read.
Best to all
Thanks for stopping by. Higher fuel prices and global tensions have certainly pushed the development of new energy sources. Like they say, necessity is the mother of all invention.
It looks a Roadway Express tractor. Orange with black fenders. Numbers look to be the style Roadway used.
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Give 5 or 6 years and go take a shot of that Western, it will look pretty much the same. I don’t think there is a better looking and well maintained fleet of trucks in the area.
Thanks so much for the great comments and beautiful pictures. The General was built in the last month of GMC production and has one of the first Detroit Diesel Series 60 engines serial number 06R0002128. The Titan/90 is a V-12 and sold new by our original dealership, Lewis Chevrolet.
The pleasure was all mine. Thank you for the details!
I have learned you have one of the few generals with a 60series Detroit in it . I have recently bought a general from a farm in Nebraska and hauled it to my shop in Canada my plan is to put a 60 series ddec2 from an 88 white gmc with a 06r number 8886
Was wondering if you could send me some pics so I can make it look correct . Hope you can help me thank you
I just purchased a 1975 Titan 90. Could you tell me where the fuse panel is located?
you guy have a lot of gut & i love that lisa hugh needs to get off her ass or she may kick his u guys take care.
Here is the link to a picture of the Titan/90 in it’s first year of operation. It was owned by Henry B. Person of Norfolk, VA. He had a fleet of four Titan/90s and he hauled steel from Sparrows Point, MD. Russell MacNeil took this picture in Springfield, MA. Henry personally drove this truck. One of his favorite stories was, a trucker pulled up beside him and said you got a 6-71 in that thing? Henry said YES on your side!
If you have trouble with the link go to Hanks Truck Pictures and the Russell MacNeil collection page 21 of his ’70s vintage pictures.
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/macneil/2008/12-10/green-n-white-chevy-titan.html
Awesome pic and story! So the V-12 was original to the truck?
Yes to the V-12 being original and the only reason we restored it. It is the only one we sold as they were intended to be used to pull turnpike doubles or Michigan trains. They were considered very extravagant and tough to make money with hauling 45,000 pound payload. The VIN is CDP930V192575. C means Chevrolet and D is for aluminum tilt 6×4. P says it all 12V-71 engine. H for 8V-71 and C for NTC Cummins. There are other engine designations but H and C were the big sellers. This truck costs $12K more than one with NTC350 which was a 20% bump. Now you know why very few built. The 8V-92T with similar power much lighter and a whole lot less money obsoleted the V12. This engine is normally aspirated thus the reason for being so large for the power output of 434HP. The largest transmission was a RTO 12513 which had a 1250 lb-ft torque limit so they were sold with 60MM injectors instead of 65MM which produced 475HP and 1300 lb-ft of torque. We restored the truck with a new Detroit Diesel reman engine clone of the original serial number 12VA30516. In 1986 the third owner of the truck re powered it with a new 8V-92T silver engine to save fuel and increase is payload. I was impressed with Detroit Diesel having the original build record of the engine. I did get them to put 65MM injectors in it since we are not too worried about the transmission failing in truck show mode.
Just read my post above and need to correct the price bump of a V12 Detroit over a NTC 350 Cummins in 1973 was $6,000. 20 % bump is correct. Besides P in the VIN the left side air cleaner and intake pipe tell you it is a 12V-71. Please also notice on he front of the cab though hard to read, Henry had Dirty Dozen lettered by a sign painter along with a V12 insignia.
Once again, thank you again for the information. It’s one thing to see the truck but the stories bring it to life.
Ashton, We bought a old 1977 gmc astro day cab with only 82,000 miles/2,400hrs. with a 8v71 Detroit .Do you know where we can get some interior cab parts? Thanks C. Vail
I don’t suppose you’d ever consider selling the 12v71 Titan
Cool shots Eric. About 20 years earlier, I also took some pictures at Action Topsoil! Back then it was two ex-municipal trucks- a Brockway and an Oshkosh. I’ll post them over at Flickr one of these days and you can share them here if you like.
I wonder if that Diamond Reo is an ex-T.H. Kinsella unit? Check out my recent post of the Town of Georgetown White-GMC with the Kinsella truck in the background and you’ll see what I mean.
Take care, Joe
Great idea. Thanks for sharing these with us!
Cool find! Were these 4x4s or single-axles (or 6x6s like the wrecker?) ?
4×4 from what I could see.
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I remember having this brochure when I was a kid. My grandfather took me to the dealership to look at trucks. Thanks for the memory!
Cool, thanks- that’s what I would have guessed. Pretty much the predecessors of the Paystar 4x4s then.
the town of East Hampton NY(last town on Long Island still has 4 Walter Snowfighters in active service and very good condition.
If it still works, run with it. Would love to see pictures some day!
I knew that truck when it was new it belonged to Sam and Jim Lacastro in Syracuse they had there shop on state street and they had 2 Autocars several Macks and 1 Ford Louisville I did a lot of hauling along with them.
Interesting. Thank you!
I drive this thing everyday, I’ve been told it’s got the big cam 400 in her, with a thirteen speed, she’s a good old girl just rides rougher than shit, and I love the Jake on it, she turns some heads
Cool! I hope it has many more years left!
Are you in the Southern Tier of NY? I’ve noticed trucks from Beam Mack in your pictures. Have you ever seen Lopke’s fleet in Apalachin? I haven’t been by there in a while because I no longer live in that area but I remember that they had quite a few old Autocar DCs just a few years ago. I don’t know if they still have them or not but I used to love seeing them on the road.
CNY for me. I’ve never crossed paths with any Lopke trucks but it sounds like I should swing down that way for a look!
They have a lot of trucks at that facility between Elmira and Binghamton. It’s visible from I-86 but it’s actually on S-R 434. You can’t miss them. All of their trucks are bright green.I hope you can get some pictures there sometime. Thanks for all the other great pictures.
How do those old time clocks workin those?
Worked at both Yellow and Interstate in the ’70s. Not the correct color for either company, and don’t recall any Crackerboxes. In hazy memory, both ran mainly Ford tractors, also recall some Kenworth, GMC Astro, IH and White Freightliner.
The newest pictures look very squeezed together and distorted. Is there something on my end I can do about this?
Brian
I don’t know how common this combination was,
but back in the early-and-mid-1990’s, I owned and drove an 1987 FLC120 Freightliner that had come from from the factory with 24.5 aluminum Alcoa “Budds” on the steer axle and 24.5 cast-iron Dayton spokes on the drives. Being a Canadian truck, it also had a 60-inch “Canadian spread” on the tandems as well.
Awesome Photos!
I see that you are around Syracuse,N.Y. area and I am wondering if you might have any pictures of the Fays Drugs, Wheels Auto Stores, or Paper Cutter Office Supply Store fleets. I work for the company for 13 years and never got a picture of a truck. How uncool is that. I left the fine state of N.Y. in 94 and never looked back, moving to Phx., Az.
Are Clark Concrete and Santaro Constuction still in business?
Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Douglass Taylor Phoenix, Az.
Hi Douglass, Sadly I don’t have any photos of Fays or their other business ventures. I search google all the time but not much comes up. Maybe some day that will change. Clark Concrete is still around today but in name only. They are now part of the Cransville Block Empire. Santaro is pretty much dead after closing the construction side of the business to focus on trash hauling which was later sold to Mr. Bults. You can find some photos of Clark Concrete on this site.
Nice looking AutoCar! What’s under the hood? Sounds like a Detroit Diesel.
It was. I only crossed paths with the wife of the owner. She said she didn’t keep track of such details.
It is, what a great day we had!
Dear Eric,surfing on the internet I found this article about ETF,let me assure you we are talking here about a realtime Truck ready for the future,which will be ready in a few months,after 10 years of very hard work by eddy de Jongh and his friends,I have seen it ,and I am impressed by all the technically clever idea’s in this truck.
With kind regards,bert schenk
Pretty good video, considering I was in one of those Brockways going up the hill. If you go to the Ballston Spa Show, there is also a pretty good hill leading up to the fairgrounds, which you could shoot video from.
Jk
That has crossed my mind. I was wondering what side of the fair grounds the majority of the trucks enter from.
Well unless you were a part of the action in the yard it was kind of hard to know this was going on. These tower sections would roll in either in the early morning & be waiting outside the gate, or late in the afternoon.
Great shots Eric. If the spring shop you refer to is Allied Spring, you are right on about it being a great resource for truck pictures. I used to frequent there myself years ago. Do they still have that old Fleetstar 2000D yard tractor?
Thanks for posting those Onondaga Co. trucks. That Western Star 6×6 is a beast! It must be a new one, either a 2013 or 2014. At the end of last year, they only had one of those, truck No. 192. That old International No. 89 is one of the 2001 models still in service. Ryan has a couple of shots of this truck up on his Flickr page.
I remember that old Manlius Autocar too. They took delivery of it around the time we got our new ones at the Town of Sullivan, 1991-1992. It seems Amboy picks up quite a few second hand units. They just auctioned an old, ex-Oswego County Paystar tandem a few months back. When I worked at Sullivan, we picked up some used equipment from Manlius as well and Cazenovia got some stuff from us, etc. Not sure how much that still goes on but with municipalities turning equipment sooner now, it seems it would be a good resource for the smaller towns & villages with limited budgets.
The Fleetstar is gone. It has been replaced with a single axle Ford still wearing P&C logos.
Correction. The ex-Amboy/ex-Manlius Autocar is a 1989 model and was auctioned just this past June, 2013. It has a Cummins NTC-290 with a Fuller 8LL transmission.
Great to see Suit-Kote is still running the old Brockway’s. As a kid, when they were called Cortland Asphalt, I remember those 361 tractors pulling the Etnyre distributor tankers everywhere.
Years later when I worked for Madison County, they would do our spreading for us during oil & stone operations. By then, the tractors were White Road Boss & Ford LT-9000’s, and sometimes these newer WIA White-GMC’s.
A really great catch Eric. I love it when cool trucks survive the ages and very ironic to find it in virtually the same spot as my old picture. You also shot an old Brockway up at the Dobbins auction that I took a picture of years before in Cicero, NY. I was amazed to see it still in one piece, well more or less anyway.
My “one that got away” was the Town of Sullivan’s 1976 Brockway 776, truck number 12. I loved that truck when I worked there and never got to drive it or ride wing plow in it. I only washed it and parked it after plow runs. Even worse, I never took a picture of it! They blew the engine sometime in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s. It sat for years in their gravel bed but I never got back in there again to take pictures. The superintendent told me in July, 2011 that all the old hulks back there were cleared out a few years before my visit. Number 12 was sold to a “collector/junk man” in the Syracuse area he told me. Where is it?
By the way, although number 12 was a single axle new (like the NYS DOT trucks since it was a state bid spec), the town converted it to a tandem in the early ’80’s which might be a clue. Orange cab/fenders/grill surround, black fenders & a yellow plastic bug shield for clues.
Those are some nice looking rigs. Here’s a good site for CNY: http://www.cnyfiretrucks.com/
Sorry I missed the show, thanks for the pictures
Eric,
Thank you for the article on my Walter Snow Fighter, it is nice that people appreciate the hard work that goes in to restoring and moving such a large piece of equipment.
Grant Roberts
As the president of the Hudson Mohawk Chapter I would like to thank Eric and all the others out there that have taken the time to take great photos and post them to the web and thank Grant and all the others out there who have taken the time to bring all these great pieces to the show. Next year is our 25th anniversary and we hope to do it even bigger and better.
Great pics Eric and nice job restoring & sharing your Walter with the world of truck nuts Grant. Having driven, wing plowed in and admired Walter’s for many years, I often reflected on the sad reality of how difficult they are to transport to truck shows especially in full plow dress. The fact that you and a few brave others are doing it is wonderful.
By the way, is this an ACUS model?
Regards,
Joe
Ooops. I just realized there is a 903 under the hood so it must be a QCUS.
It is a QCUL. It has the longer wheelbase.
Where in Binghamton are these trucks ? I would like to look at them up close
I have never been there in a person so I don’t know how accessible they really are but from Google Maps take exit 6 from 81 South. Continue to head south on RT 11, keep an eye out for Fuller Rd then follow to Grant. You should be in the area by that point.
Bur-Trans trucks are some of the cleanest & best maintained private fleet in CNY. Long history of running all Mack fleets. Every truck gets the pin stripping & add on details to suit each drivers own likes.
Great shots!
Rick
would like to find some one who has pics of gatr in the 80 s we had trk #80 larry wickersham dont have any picks any one who has some i will buy thanks jim
Had nothing better to do, but do a lil’ searching. All this bringing back some great memories. And of coarse had to watch the videos posted above. And guess what…. I found your dad, and his truck. Not sure how to post links in these forums. But if you go onto YouTube, and look for poster VooDooRocketry, and look for video….GATR 1986 Big Rig Racing year in review. For a few short seconds, starting at 6.25, there she is, in all her glory…. nearly 8ft of hood and all. So far that is all I have found. But its cool to see it again. Hope that helps a little. Will let you know of any I may find.
That’s what I get for losing touch with important people in my life… Jim, I’m sorry (4 years too late). I just found out about his passing. I regret not knowing. Through my father I was lucky enough to know him and your mom. Forgive me for not knowing, before asking stupid questions. He and my father went back a long time, when they were first building Interstate 80. And was lucky enough to have him around for me, after my parents passed back in 97. Will keep digging for anything I can find. Really wish those pics I had would turn up….
Shon, glad you enjoyed the post. You can find many more photos and videos at the GATR Facebook page. If you don’t have a facebook account it’s worth signing up for one. You may find info on the people you once knew and the trucks you loved. https://www.facebook.com/groups/120728709491/
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You should have grabbed the front wheel hub caps!
who had the autocars?
What a waste. Not too many White 3000 tandems left and it still had its original body too. Lucky you got the shots you did when you did.
Penn Can was the name! I think I had guessed Empire as the name originally, but now that I read Penn Can Road Materials I am convinced that’s it. You could see this truck in the line-up from 690 going towards the fairgrounds for many years. They had a White Compact distributor too. Man I wish I had shot their fleet. The ’60’s Ford NT-950 was my favorite.
Now that should be the next Hess toy truck if they continue them. Too bad this generation of Hess trucks seem nothing like trucks. The helicopters, race cars, and off road vehicles just don’t do it for me. Kudos on finding this rarity!!
Is it just me, or does that Oshkosh look a little bit like a Freightliner?
The split windshield does give it a Freightliner look.
The ring around the front hub is probably a step for checking under the hood. We have a similar thing on some of our Public Works vehicles.
Love the yellow 4×4 REO! Any more details or photos?
I know it was a snow plow for an Airport in MA but that is the extent of my info. Next time I head up that way I will bring my notebook!
I have a photo of this truck in Wilton NH when owned by Sheldons winching a 1939 ford onto a gooseneck trailer of mine being pulled by my 1936 ford 1-1/2 ton . how do i attach the photo ????
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I was down on that stretch of Hiawatha years ago and stopped to watch them do some switching. One of the breakmen yelled out “go find something better to do”
They have switched the small chem. co. back behind the loco for years… They haven’t crossed 7th North in some time though.
One place “you” always cross and “never” see any activity is the crossing out front of Tracey’s Equipment. 84 Lumber still gets regular rail deliveries.
I saw them switching it last year on a Saturday morning. They had traffic backed up all the way back to 690. The switch is just north of the street. The crew stopped traffic 4 times for various lengths of times. Each time the loco never actually going completely through the crossing…
Hahaha, railmen. The Kirkville Road crossing used to also see a fair amount of activity but that may have changed with the passing of NPG. Maybe if the intermodal factory opens there will be a greater need for that stretch of rail.
I love it! Give me more. I hope Mr. Sheldon is happy, cause I am! CR
Wow. That truck is a beast. Nice pic too. Even though I live in CT, I’ve never seen it in person but I’m sure it looks and sounds awesome.
I was wondering if you had seen this truck in person. Def a rig worth seeking out.
Maybe eventually.
Ruston has obviously been a very loyal International user over the years. Funny that you mention not getting pictures of their fleet as I never did either. When I was active in the area they still had a few of those Fleetstars but mostly ran S-series 2574 tandems.
I remember when they moved into the old Oneida Motor Freight terminal at the corner of Thompson Rd. & Kirkville Rd./Exeter St. Looks like from that excellent collection on their website that they used reside up by the Jamesville quarry. Interesting.
Anyone have any photos of Oneida Motor Freight’s fleet? They ran some monster tractors in the 1970’s- day cab Ford & GMC cabovers with 3408 CAT’s, 12V-71 Detroit’s and KT Cummins power. Unreal.
Sadly no, most likely before my times. It looks like their old location might be the current spot of Ruston’s Diner.
These guys did the night paving at Wegmans in DeWitt over the summer. This truck was there. I thought about getting a shot for you… Wegmans had a site map up while paving, it was roughly 30 phases…
Way to leave me hanging.
It was night… I also figured seeing it more than once…
I believe this would be a Lorain MotoCrane, something like a MC550 circa 1965 or so… that is my best guest but I’m curious to see what the experts on this site have to say.
They do call these “Serious Trucks”. Handbuilt to perfection! Let it snow, let it snow!!!!
Wasn’t that corny? We watched it in my BOCES heavy equipment class. My dad watched it when he went to BOCES. lol
It so was! I can’t believe they still show it. Still fun to watch.
Nice truck!! You should post these on Flicker in the Oshkosh Snow removal group. Looks like a Oshkosh WT-2206.
NICE OSHKOSH !!!! Looks like a WT-2206 you should post these beauties in the Flickr group Oshkosh Snow Removal Vehicles.
I have one of these trucks with a sicard blower and a 700 hp. Engine on the back, it’s a beast, any one interested in it e mail me @ bobackert@gmail.com or call 519 389 7212 or 519 396 8116
Nice looking Astro. “Appears” to be in decent shape.
Beautiful Looking Truck.Nice Job Restoring .Learned to drive on a Titan/90 with a 8V71,13 sp., no jake. I keep looking for One that someday would like to Own,when I win the Lottery.lol. Hope to catch a personal look at Your truck next year at Mucungie.Missed it this year,had to work to make the Funds. Darn Nice Truck though!
Great shots Eric. I especially like the one from my Alma Mater! I tried to identify who was driving, but a lot of the guys I worked with have retired now so…
Just fabulous. There is no better sounding vintage truck diesel than the 8V-71 Detroit. Always my favorite. I remember Syracuse Riggers had a similar crane to this one with the same power plant in the carrier chassis.
Really nice video work. I wonder if the poor guy trying manage the idle had ear plugs!
Might be a hatch in the roof to get out of (I have seen that on other narrow cab trucks) but the drill arm might get in the way.
Yes, the ring is a step. It would also help protect the hubcap as well. They are usually mounted with the hubcap bolts.
The blade on the dozer interestingly enough is from the Pullman-Standard Company… the same company that made railroad cars.
Very interesting, a unique machine!
Those were some nice videos. Thanks for posting them. Man, if those trucks could talk! Could you imagine the stories they could tell?
Nice shots Eric. I’ve seen No. 124 before which is a 2002 model.
We’ve had some snow this year in South Jersey as well! Here is a brand new 2013 Pete we just delivered to Camden County, NJ a couple of weeks ago. V-box spreader in the box. The 2-way reversible plow isn’t mounted yet in this picture.
Ooops. Sorry about that. I forgot to resize and now I don’t know how to delete it.
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VP Express stand for Vlad Pleskot, not Vlad Polar! VP Express has been in business longer then Polar industries. Season 7, was a fairy tale story.
Nice videos Eric. That old American LaFrance Pioneer brought back memories. When I was kid living in Skaneateles, the Mottville FD had two of those as their front line units, along with a 1960 Chevy & 1939 Ford COE. I believe the Pioneer’s were Waukesha powered and they were marketed to poorer departments as a low cost option to the bigger and fancier American LaFrance siblings.
Did you happen to get any of the school buses there on film? I would be very interested in them believe it or not.
I think I may have one, I’ll take a look. Sooo many buses!
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Great pictures Eric. I don’t remember this one at all and I have a lot of pictures of Clay’s equipment, granted much of it from auctions of years past. They recently auctioned their 1978 Autocar Construcktor dump this past summer.
It is a Tamper. The paddles or fingers in the center go down and pack the ballast(stone) under the ties when they are replaced.
That looks like a nice set up, I’ve seen a bunch of towns here in Maine that run wings on F-550’s, which are a nice truck, had a few at a place a worked but there really just overgrown 1 ton’s. They had a Terrastar 4X4 C&C at the Fryeburg Fair this fall I gave a real good once over, everything on that truck was massive, the front drive axle makes an F-550’s look like a tooth pick:-), hell, at least the one I looked at had double frame from under the cab some where to the front spring hanger’s on the rear axle. If I had the money & need(well probably just the money and I’ll find a need;-) I’d buy one in a heartbeat over any other 19,500GVW truck
I happen to enjoy shipping wars!
Also, as far as tuxedo wearing trash men…it’s close…
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Fantastic! I remember visiting Pacific’s factory many years ago and meeting the CEO. He had a picture of one of the South African RR “land locomotives” on his wall and the caption read, “They are so big that it’s said that the earth revolves beneath them!”
Thanks eh…
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There is an interesting story about truck racing on the oval tracks. Ask Burt Reynolds if he can remember. There really was a “Bandit” before the movies “Smokey and the Bandit” came out. It came from and idea they got from everyday over the roads trucks racing on the big speedway. If you ever heard of “Southern Shaker and “Bandit” you would remember the days of truck racing. These guy’s had road trucks with KT650’s cranking out over a 1000hp. Oh yes, they weren’t worried about fuel mileage back then. These guy’s would up and down the road at over 120MPH, they were the Outlaws of those days. I know of one driver that was clocked at over 130 on I-10 in Arizona.
You guys remember the Kenworth “Special K”? owned by Kenneth Farmer, near Section Alabama. I remember in the late 70’s that it was the fastest street legal big rig in the world back then. I am just curious. I tried researching that truck on line, but came up with nothing.
I have the truck now … I bought it from a very good friend. Still has that big K in it and right now it is painted some random brown color but will be restored back to its glory!
That looks like the tracked dump that has been “working” in the Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge near Seneca Falls.
I’m still not sure what they are doing. How long has been now? Two years?
Easily two years, and the equipment never seems to move.
Jim are you the Oshkosh guy, I have an old WT2206 and am looking for info and specs?
Sorry, Bob. I’m not the Oshkosh guy.
You know Eric, sometimes I wonder if we aren’t related. I too used seek out the Big Truck Trader issue of the Auto Trader. I too used to mark trucks I liked. I have two issues saved somewhere along with a bunch of old TNT magazines including one of the first issues from 1967. I even used to cut out ads from the smaller issues of the Auto or Truck Trader and kept them all in an old photo album. I was thinking about scanning these but wasn’t sure there would be much interest. But now you’ve got me thinking as usual!
Take care, Joe
Hahaha. You should browse through those old traders. Who knows what gems they contain. I plan on sharing a few more pages from this edition in the coming weeks.
Some of these trucks look familiar so I wonder if one of my copies isn’t this same issue or at least around the same time. Not surprising that you could only find one Brockway as most of these ads seemed to have been from the Southeast- Georgia, Alabama and Florida in particular.
Yes, the southeast was represented well in this edition. Also, I found numerous pages that were repeated four of five times throughout the book.
You know I always love the Onondaga County shots. For reference, 191 is definitely a 2001 as you mentioned. The single axle No. 57 is a 1999, Nos. 124 & 136 are both 2002’s and No. 187 Workstar is a 2012.
Thanks for sharing!
Nice recap Eric. Yes, that ’39 Pete is real and resides in the Denton, TX factory along with the very truck built at that plant in 1980, a 359 day cab.
The vacuum truck makes the hole for the new pole. No more digging needed and they make perfect holes.
Interesting!
I really wish there was more of these around!
I would agree Western Stars are becoming more popular for plow trucks. While I am not a fan of the look of the 4700 (mainly due to Western Star’s departure from the classic round fenders, to those ugly, squarish, cardboard cut outs they stuck over the front wheels), I do love the rugged good looks and quality workmanship that goes into them. You have posted some beautiful 4800 and 4900 plows over the past few years, that would clearly be the pride of any government fleet. Hopefully, we will see more of them and less of the 4700’s in the future.
Proud owner of a 1979 Titan. NTC 400. Soon to be replaced by a 1000hp Buzzin Dozen. Nuff Said. Bye Bye.
Let the truck do the talking!
I wot for the NYSDOT and having an identical one like this. It didn’t have the arrow on the side, instead it had an indicator light in the cab and I believe on the front controls. Nice truck with an eaton 10 speed
And that is the same truck. They both have the 115248 serial number seen here on the door and on the license plate of the other photo.
Ah, I thought so. Thanks! Feel free to send in more pics if you have them.
I am looking for a bucket for an old 2000 similar to the one featured in the lost and found. let me know if something is availible. Thanks Terry
LCnJ coach staten island new york its avi. For charters 718 285 5008 ..she has been everywhere for cal to nyc and south to florida .Even served as a power sheltter during Sandy. She is a good bus .Had her for 13yrs.
Who was first? I think it was technically GM, but International would special-order a diesel in their pickups back in the ’60s.
I agree we need to bring back the sport as a new Diesel Technician I have been looking into semi truck racing teams and cant find them. however if I was a car guy or light truck series guy no problem. So let’s bring this sport back so guy’s like me who love the Big Rig’s could have a chance to work with the teams.
I saw lisa the other day very pretty
But hugh why are you doing the loads for so cheap it affects everybody that is involved in the ice road
Hey Eric. Check out the Oneida bodied White there. I bet that is the same bus I took pictures of at an auction in Canastota back in 1994!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91971712@N08/12734761293/
I can’t believe it is still around. What a rare bird and I hope someone didn’t scrap it after this auction at Dobbins. Amazing!
I would be lying if I said I didn’t have the same thought.
Did Andy post any more of his bus photos somewhere? I would love to see them.
Try this link..he did a much better job at bus coverage!
Dobbins by Andy
Looks like a Ryan development.
Sure is.
Are you planning on coming to the Spring Thaw Show? If so, hope to see you there.
So cool and industrial.
That grill is truly a grill with little thought to design.
Of course we must save them. The crusher is no longer an option. Way too many have gone by the way side, only evidenced by our photo collections.
That IHC is definitely an R-model. The clue is the outline of the “man on a tractor” IH logo which didn’t appear until 1953, which was also the first year of the R series (both light and heavy). All heavy R-models had the three vertical bar top section of the grills. Most of the L-models used the seven, thinner vertical bars in this grill section with the exception of the 1952 models which used the three bar design but had the earlier grill emblem.
We had a Reo like that over at the Town of Sullivan, a single axle 1967 602E. P&S Concrete in Chittenango had 3 of them (might have been Diamond Reo’s, but the same sheet metal design) they used as transit mixers. One of my big “misses” in not getting them on film before they disappeared.
Now, THAT is a sun roof!
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Big Bud 747 sure is an impressive piecs of machinery. As for that “racing tractor”, I guess the old adage applies: “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”.
I have followed ice road truckers since it started .Please can you tell me how Eric is. Having just watched another of the shows we are not sure if he is going to be ok. I live in London with my husband.
Eugenia
I am a firetruck lover and these square boxes all look them same. I think you need some classic firetrucks if you are going to make this a fireday occurance.
In my mind one of the best engines every made. Not the most powerful, but what other engine has lastest the test of time like this one.
Love those Rocky Mountain Hummingbirds!
Hard to argue that. No other engine sounds the same. Music to my ears.
Nothing better than the sound of an in-line 6-71! Have you covered the electromotive divisions 567 yet? Or the 645? for those who don’t know already, there’s actually a very interesting paper written by Eugene kettering, about the history and development of the EMd 567 series general motors locomotive engine.
Damn straight best reliable ive had pleasure of owing 2 boats with 8v71 ieasy peasy to work on!! Looking to buy an old yacht with 2 8v71s ive been waiting for this opportunity i would gave no other
I find it funny that they call themselves New England Motor Freight, when they are based out of NJ and don’t usually run freight in New England. I remember their old yard in Norwalk CT before some shipping conglomerate bought them out
You may also find it interesting that one of the owner’s of NEMF is also the wife of one Sir Paul McCartney! And yes, the main terminal and head quarters is in Elizabeth, NJ right by the port entrance, a VERY busy place for trucks.
my question,I have a 6v71 lh rotation eng I am a mechanic too and want to change it to rh I know how to do this but am wondering if the cam shafts are the same
The cams are different between the lh aha rh versions. If you ever tried to stop one of these engines by stalling it you know they will run in reverse, but the power isn’t right, you have to change the camshaft.
When you run them in reverse smoke comes out the air cleaner.. I saw my buddy stall his dump truck then it rolled forward in reverse He pulled in the clutch and it was still running but the dump box would not go up .. If I can recall I put my hand over the exhaust pipe and and it was sucking air in through the exhaust pipe ..
I was told by a mechanic that the same camshaft was used for either rotation; it had to be removed and turned end for end. Not the same for the starter, you will need one with the correct rotation.
I had a Detroit in a loader and had to swap engines because the engine went bad. I ordered a military engine from boats and harbors with an opposite rotation. All I had to do was in bolt everything from the block and rebolt it on the other side of the block and reinstall the engine. In other words just turn the block around. The engine is symetical, so it all bolts back up when the block is turned around.
No they are not the same there are RH and LH camshafts
The block of a Detroit is exactly alike on both sides and ends. To reverse rotation, just unbolt everything, turn the block end for end, and bolt everything back onto the block. I did it, and I know that it works! No changing cams or anything else internally! End of story!
Yes they are but if.the engine has.advanced.cam timing you need to change that,no bigdeal.just change it by one tooth in opposite direction
Question for the experts, is this one a 1989? The Volvo diagonal stripe and blue WhiteGMC badge.
wow that is quite a setup, no duals on this beast
The lime green truck, at Wilcox Farm, is from the Sylvan Beach FD. I will send some close ups to you.
My dad Jim Doyle had a 2 race trucks in the 80’s. #39 and #69. I would attend every race with him, my brother Jimmy and my mom. It was some of my best memories with my family.
Michele,
not sure if you remember me,,,,,,i drove the 39 for your dad. you re right,
they were some really good memories. your dad was the greatest, always
enjoyed hanging with him. hope you and Jimmy are doing great.
Charlie, How many people can say that they went THROUGH the turn one retaining wall at Poccono?
after someone (Bill Metzger ?) blew a left front and went sideways directly in front the #39, causing a T-bone, they both went THROUGH the wall. My parents still have the polaroids.
GATR – Simply awesome !!!
If this is the Charlie that drove for the Carolina raceing team I would like to say hello .I use to build the truck with buck horne and I miss those days I hope you are doing well . My name is Brett minges
Hey Charlie my dad was your crew cheif in cup, Larry Measamer he’s wanting to get up with you
Are these Loadstar’s located on Fyler Rd. by chance? I used to live on Fyler Rd. about a mile from them if they are.
Andy is spot on about the lime green one. I remember it had a water tank on it when it was employed by Sylvan Beach FD. It was a loud little sucker! That V-8 gas engine really roared.
Yes, it’s a real hot bed for Loadstars.
I have an 1890 loadstar 18′ ramp truck excellent shape looking for a home as I don’t use it so much anymore! You interested?
Y’all know the hall of fame site you posted is from a place in my hometown!
Cool. I’ve been to the museum once. It was fun.
That “crackerbox” single drive axle looks like a Preston tractor to me. I have one built in 1967 which had a sleeper when I bought it. We have removed the sleeper and made a day cab out of it like those operated by IRC&D Motor Freight, Inc. of Richmond, IN. Both my Dad and I drove day cab tandem drive axle GMC “crackerbox” tractors for them back in the 1970’s. Mont Switzer
That is a beauty Eric. Penfield always had some cool trucks.
Funny to read about this posting about this auction as I was just wondering to myself today if you went and took pictures!
Really nice job Eric. Oh to have a better camera 20-25 years ago when I was hitting these auctions. When I look at your photos, I am embarrassed by my grainy, often off-center photos taken with the old 110.
Don’t be so hard on yourself! The cameras of today are very forgiving when it comes to shadows and bad light. I’m glad you took the shots you did. They are the only record of many a cool truck.
One of these days I am going to get a picture of an Autocar tanker truck from the Glastonbury Fire Dept. that I’ve heard is a beast, or at least looks like one from the pictures that I’ve seen.
I hope so, sound cool.
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Thank you very kindly! I still have many photos of this truck, maybe I’ll give it another shot! 🙂
Hayes
It’s great to hear someone else is intersted in getting this started again. I’m young enough to get involved but been around these trucks my entire life and would love to build a truck for this event.
It looks like we are not the only one! http://dailydieseldose.com/champtruck-world-series/
MY first time Driving a Big Truck was a 9670. Loved it. Thanks for The Memory.
I’m really hoping to get to the show this year.
I have got to send you a picture of Glastonbury’s tanker truck. 😀
Yes!
This truck belongs to Joseph M Sanzari Construction in Hackensack. I remember they also had a fair number of steel butterfly hood GMC 8500’s from the late ’70’s and early ’80’s around. They used them as single axle dumps and may still run a few.
I’ve got some more Jersey iron coming up on Flickr soon and possibly something for Autocar Monday’s too!
Thanks Joe!
Great stuff Eric. Saunders was and is a Syracuse area staple for truck watchers, just like Clark Concrete used to be. I am glad you got a shot of that Cortland Redi-Mix GMC too. It was always on my list but I never stopped to snap a picture. I do have some pictures of two of their old Brockway mixers though. I will dig them out one of these days.
That ex-Town of Union Brockway is very interesting with the tank body and front plow frame. And of course, the 6-71 & two stick 5+4 transmissions don’t hurt either.
That would be a treat.
Thank you for the 1000 posts. I like the trucks and decay you capture.
Carry on!
Hey guys my grandfather is restoring a 1985 gmc general 5 star and I was wondering were you guys know any place to get some parts for his truck if you get this please reply to me and get back ASAP thanks
Austin Putnam
I think your battery life was perfect!
Hahaha, I kept saying to myself “Where is Clarence?! Where is Clarence?”
The Town of Clay was always a hot bed of old trucks and has a pretty large fleet too. I have some pictures of their long gone stuff stashed away that I’ll scan one of these days- an old Diamond Reo tandem and an Oshkosh come to mind.
I am amazed this Autocar survives too. Wonder if it is another ’78? Really nice find for “Autocar Monday’s”.
Keep the vintage equipment coming!
http://www.glastonburyfd.org/Pages/Apparatus.aspx Here is a link to the 1987 Autocar tank truck from the Town of Glastonbury Fire Department Website.
That’s a mean looking rig!
So thats what that was. When I reviewed several of my clips from the show, I remembered seeing it and kicked myself for not going down to look at it.
Thanks for all the Great work you do,, and the Pictures you Post…. awesome Job
Thanks! I hope to see you at Ballston Spa in September.
That was on display in the Tracey Equipment yard in Rochester until at least last April. I wonder if one of them is the same one.
As Charlie said, awesome job with your website. Thanks for stopping by our little show and keep up the great work. Really enjoy the interesting pictures you post!
The pleasure is all mine.
Real credit goes to TimT at DHS diecast for finding and hosting it
http://forums.dhsdiecast.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136357
LOSX reporting marks belong to Locomotive Specialists of Morris , Ill. They deal in industrial locomotives and their repair.
Cool, thank you!
I wonder if you knew that the U.S. Navy has been using 6-71 to power their small boats and landing craft since before WWII? I spent four years in the Navy as an Engineman (diesel mechanic). I’ve overhauled a number of 6-71s or 238 Detroits in trucker parlance. 238 is the horse power of a two valve non-turbo 6-71. I used to drive a White single axle tractor with a 6-71 and a 10sp RR. It was a blast to drive. The video of you driving the Brockway wrecker really brought back some fond memories of that for me. I am currently driving a bobbed 1984 AM General deuce and a half named “Brutus”. He has a White Continental Multi-Fuel diesel with a whistler turbo. Even though I love him, I am thinking about trying to sell him for a single axle cabover or conventional tractor with a 6-71 and a 10 or 13sp R.R. or a Mack B-61. Love your wrecker by the way.
Nice! The Deuce tanker with the 10,000 lb. pto driven Garwood winch! Some Steel Soldiers member would love to have that.
Where in P.A.? I like the Dodge a lot.
I’m still trying to find that out after all these years.
Years ago I used to drive an R-190 all wheel drive fire truck. It had a huge 6cyl gasoline engine and a 5 speed crash box. Even though it was all wheel drive it had manual steering! It was the toughest truck to steer that I’ve ever driven. They are classics though.
Thats a handsome driver too. Thanks for the flowers. That driver was me. Great pic. Would love to have a print.
Interesting mounting location for the remote Go Light.
very nice info, thanks for informing people like me
That is definitely a viking-cives head gear
Those are some really nice looking Brockways. I like that 361. Did I spot a Transtar & an Emeryville in the background on the video when is was backing up?
Yes you did. Saxby Impalement usually tag team shows with these two fine trucks.
what can you tell me about the trojan road tool tractor loader la40 need wheel cylinders for brakes 1 3/8 bore any help
Snowplow mount on front without bumper, yellow surrounding front fender side marker light, yellow on back of severely rusted rear view mirror, maybe rear tires with studs.
Yep, that was an ex municipal vehicle. Give it a used front bumper, a used left door, some bondo, a quick bed sand blast and a respray and it would have probably another 15 years life in it if the engine is still half right.
One can hope! At least it is now spared the horrors of winter road salt….except for the damage already caused.
Such an old beauty. Hopefully she gets sold to someone who will keep her working on the road and and away from the scrapyard for many more decades to come
I agree!
D=This is a damn impressive page. I’ve really enjoyed looking around. Just one question though. where are the ATCA events? I lived in NE PA for about 35 years and never heard of it before.
Thank You
The show takes place at the fairgrounds in Harford, PA. If you like trucks it is not to be missed!
I am a Trustee for Spring Valley WI. We are looking for a used snowplow. I see some nice one above how do I find out the price
Ihave class A CDL LOOKING FOR JOB
If I remember correctly, International had the same problems when they introduced the V800 engine back in the 1970s. By all accounts that I’ve heard, the V800 was a real boat anchor!
What replaced the Maxxforce 13
I actually own the daycab brother of this same truck. I heard it was a foam unit from lockheed. Im currently restoring the truck to it’s original look. Today the truck only has 6358 miles on it! I would love to find some pics of the daycab.
Awesome, I would love to see more. The ATHS is in the process of uploading their Autocar archive to the web. They may have photos of your truck.
I would like to see more shots of that Otisco truck!
The Western Star or International?
The WS it’s awesome!
Great shots as always Eric!
The three Onondaga County 2674 4×2’s pictured above are numbered as follows: (2) 1996’s = A100 & A101; 1999 = 38
I took a picture of A100 when it was a year old! And I also captured this ’99 number 38’s predecessor which was a 1988 Paystar single axle back when it was auctioned. Time sure does fly by!
Between the two of us we were able to close the circle. Hopefully they find good homes.
These macks are set-up for NYC DEP (Dept. of Environmental Protection), they currently run a bunch of these. most of the other catch basin trucks are Sterling’s right now. the DEP has the best warning light set-ups.
Thanks for the info MJ.
Awesome! Anybody know how those log trailers worked?
I believe the crane at the landing site used to load the logs helped to unload the trailer.
Just loved the video snippets. Looks like a great site! How do I join? Also, I have a wonderful 9+ minute YouTube of me driving my straight exhaust 6-71 10 speed Crown Coach bus with high volume and sweet sounds. You’re welcome to use it if you like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWMdYs-MxQ. Let’s get me signed up for more! Thanks! Al Jennings
Hi Al, joining is as simple as coming back at 930AM EST to see what it is new. Comment on anything you like just like you did today. Nice and simple! Sweet bus BTW.
Cool picture and a cool truck! Nice find.
This truck could be as late as a 1986 or ’87, with the “International” in block letters at the top of the grill. The S-2275 model was built through the 1988 model year (maybe some as 1989’s) and I have personally driven three different 1987 & ’88 model F-2275’s (former Edhart Leasing tractors). I know the reference in the Crimson book you cite and it is most definitely an error (a fabulous book by the way). Perhaps he was referring to the S-2100 model? Not sure.
I went back to the book and a caption on pg 531 states 84 it was the final year of the 2200. Now, if we consider the 2200 to be a model and not a series than I think it makes more sense as the 2275 is mentioned as a production model for the next 3 or 4 years. Reading through the early years of the S-Series is truly a headache inducing activity as International produced so many models in that series. Some lasted only a year or two. Next time I’ll avoid the confusion and take a picture of the emblem. lol.
I noticed this truck when I was up over Labor Day. I thought the one you posted from the auction was this one but was surprised to see it still at the Cortland yard. Thanks for taking these and sharing! I have to dig out my pictures of Cortland Redi-mix’s old Brockways soon.
You are right about the S-series having a lot of models, but then again International was always good at that. You can get dizzy trying to keep track of all the model offerings between 1950-1980, many of which could be had with the same power trains and GVW ratings. How about the Loadstars in the 1970’s with the big VS-478 or 549 engines? Why not just order the Fleetstar? Or the now very rare S-2524 or 2624 with the 537 V-8 gas engine!
Loving it!
That green and white mack looks like it might be an old Mirabito fuel truck.
Probably a good guess. This truck was down the street from their location on Bear St.
The second one is cool, no rust
Good to see something from my home state. You still interested in any fire truck pictures?
Sure! Send over a few of your best shots.
WANT!! gonna be looking to buy a truck in the next couple years. love the international 9670s and you can pick em up for a fair price. this one is absolutely perfect in my eyes. great truck thanx for shareing.
Here is another one you might enjoy.
Thanks for posting these Eric.
Hi Eric, on nov 24, 2011, you posted a photo of a Trojan 3000 loader with no engine in the lost and found. Is that machine for sale? I need a transmission for my 3000. I also like all your other posting of machinery. thanks gary
Hi Gary, this loader was located at the Syracuse, NY location of Five Star Equipment. I’m not sure if it still there but you could give them a call and find out.(315) 452-4560
Nice!
I think I’m in love! All we ever get issued are crappy International 7500’s and 7600’s with their gutless Mushforce engines. But this Western Star is a thing of beauty! Thanks for posting it.
Before GM made Detroit Diesels in V configuration, they married two or four 6-71’s together in”twin” or “quad” installations. I remember seeing two quad installations in the engine room of an ex US Navy inshore minesweeper. Imagine the glorious howl of two 24 cylinder powerplants at full throttle. Makes my spine shiver! I worked on boats with 6-71 and 4-71 engines. No matter how many cylinders, they all sounded the same to me, a nice throaty rumble at idling speed that became a uniquely soul stirring scream at 1800 rpm. Wonderful.
You certainly did not walk around anywhere near the air intake with an oilers rag in your pocket.
I sniped a bunch of LCVPs, Mike6 boats, and Captain’s Gigs as an engineman in the U.S. Navy from 1973-1977. Motor Whale Boats too (Perkins powered). I became really proficient at trouble shooting and rebuilding Jimmies. It was my passion at the time. I used to rebuild and pop test the injectors as well. In addition, I also operated, maintained, and took part in rebuilding one of our Fairbanks-Morse emergency generators aboard USS Coronado LPD-11. Later in life I used to drive a 238 powered White 4000 single axle tractor with a 10 sp. Roadranger pulling tank trailers. Love the Detroit 2 cycle sound! By the way…the are made to run up to 2,100 rpm. Typical operation. Thanks for the memories!
Owen F McCaffrey….. “By the way…the are made to run up to 2,100 rpm.”….. just so you know, the series 71 engines “can” be taken up to well over 3,000 rpms.
We ran the v12 in the Kenworth that we ran in the Pro Semi Class of Sled Pulling at up to 4,200 rpm and never blew it up, in nearly 32 years of pulling, though did spin a bearing once.
I’m looking at a 1947 GMC siverside bus been setting probly 15 + years what will I be in for love them dd thanks Vic
Hello Vic, So Sorry for Not responding back to your reply and question from July 2019… 5.5 Years ago!! I Never received any notice that I had gotten a response or question from anyone.
I just happened back on this site a few minutes ago and found your question to me. Did you ever get that GM Silverside, that you were looking at?? I will keep an eye on this site… to see if you might happen to reply back again. Again, my sincere apology.
Vic… PS; I just posted a reply to you… today is Jan.25th, 2025.
I’m looking at a 1947 GMC siverside bus been setting probly 15 + years what will I be in for love them dd 671s also have a 6v92 bus thanks Vic
I worked on a surface mine in Martin co Ky in 1974 through 1985 I think the mine worked 25or 30 unit rigs the 175 toners had 16cylinders that powered the electric turbines I always liked to hear them dumps load of rock they you could hear for miles
Further to my previous comment, I remember a pair of “handed” Gray Marine 6-71 engines, with Twin Disc marine gearboxes (Allison Division of GM) that had been taken from a landing craft, so they had been built during WW II. They still had their brass plates on the flywheel housing with the official number issued by the US Bureau of Ships. They had the larger injectors, and when the boat was fresh out of refit, they could push her along pretty smartly. We used to run up to 1500 rpm, but could push 1750 if needed. The biggest trouble was keeping the seawater cooling system clear of weed and mud which could cause overheating. The boat was eventually scrapped, but I don’t know if the jimmies survived.
Unless someone was foolish enough to junk them I bet they are still running!
That’s so true Roy. As I remember (it was many years ago) you had a sea water strainer before the keel cooler you had to keep clear. The Jabsco pump did not like to run dry. We used to pack the rubber impeller with grease to lubricate them until they picked up salt water. It was just a half-dozen Phillip’s head screws to get the cover off. I would do it again! Sometimes the bosun’s mates would let me drive the boat (Mike 6 or LCVPs) I got pretty good at it! I even landed 80 or so drunk Marines up against the ship. They all were laughing and taunting me. I made a smooth docking. We used to cook misappropriated Marine C-rats on the exhaust manifolds. I even steered an LCVP drive by of a Russian cruiser off Cypress one time! All done with Gray Marines. Good times.
Roy Kennedy….. “We used to run up to 1500 rpm, but could push 1750 if needed.” It’s a wonder those poor engines survived at such low rpms…. None of my Detroits ever saw less than 1900 once under way…. with the governors set for 2,850 rpms… loaded.
Most all “pleasure craft” detroits came from the factory set at 2,350 for the Series 71 engines. In the Pro “Sled Pulls” for Pro-Semi Class, we turned the V12 (71 series) at 4,100 to 4,200 under full load for years, and never blew it up.
Wow thats crazy i knew a guy who had a v12 71 series in a kw long nose tractor he had his turned up to 3200 rpm he told.me he used higher strenth valve springs though !I rebuilt a v8_71 for my brouther used 71 brn tag injectors set gov.to 2650 rpm it ran real decent for a detroiter but at 3_4 mpg wasant going to win any milage contests it ranfor 150 thousand miles then the damned air compressor went out sending little pieces of compressor parts into the intake tube this took out the blower sending more junk into the pistons what a piss poor way of getting air for the compressor!it was rebiult agian but not by me the owner who had purchased it from my brouther took my advice and used an old lawn tractor air filter and a seperate air tube for the compresseor!I saw that truck on the road for around four more years zfter that the guy told me he put in all new bearings pistons ect but lefht ghe settings alone! Back in thier time they made trckers money!as a final thought i think detroit made the only v8 diesel that held up.
Mike,
I know I didn’t mention it in my post above, but no… you cannot run the “stock” springs at much over 2450/2500 rpm or you will run the risk of valve float. We used a modified set of springs used in Pro Stock drag race engines…. as well as Many other modifications. Of course the injectors were nowhere remotely close to “stock”, either at that power and rpm range.
I may detest chrome on a snow plow, buy my Lord that Western Star is quite the rig!!
As an old snow man, the Western for comfort (you’d get a wing man to swap off with, or should, anyways) for those nice 30 hour shifts. Looks like a good divided highway truck. But for real work, getting in tight, scraping ice, working shoulders, you’d have to take the Oshkosh. Although a 24 hour shift in that will feel like 48!
Ive done a bunch of jobs similar to this (albeit generally in a smaller scale) over the years. The future smothers the past, and an amazing amount of things get buried. They usually hold up better than what is built on top of them. In Connecticut, CBYD just locates utilities from when people had records. You end up finding trolley car tracks, heavier railroad tracks, stone culverts, granite structures, beautiful artistic brick work, orangeburg clay pipe, you name it under a road. After 30 years of excavation here, unless it’s a 300 year old wood lot, I am always cautious never quite knowing what you’ll find. Built a golf course once on an old dairy farm, and found a Divco burial ground below.
That blower is probably loaded onto a lowboy heading west.
Looking forward to some fantastic pictures from you of snow removal machines and plow trucks in light of this recent storm.
Hi Eric. Nice run of pictures here. Quick correction on that Madison County truck- it is truck number 46 not 86 and is a 1998 model year. The truck that wore the number 46 over there before this one was a 1967 GMC JE9710 (9500) tandem with a 637 V-8 gas. It started life as a tandem dump then ended up as the county’s tree crane before finishing out its days at the landfill as a water truck.
I heard that the CT DOT was also sending some trucks and crews as well.
Yes, they sure did.
I really don’t like the hood on the 4700, but that one doesn’t look so bad.
Yeah, the color scheme helps out I think.
I was a fleetcarriers broker in the early 70s hauling new gmcs to dealers from the plant in pontiac michigan. I have a 65 cracker box and i now live in central texas near austin tx. they are fun old trucks not to many left.
If you have any pictures you would like to share we’d love to see them.
The head gear is viking-cives and the bodys are all elp interchangeable bodys i havent been behind the wheel of one these but iv have been in one of our macks, sterling and both the international 2574 and 7600 workstars all good trucks i work for the truway and have seen a lot of diffrent maintnence sections trucks
That is refreshing to hear.
Hello, how have you been. Here is a rough idea of what a 466 from the ’80s sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBHQQoInpRI from a school bus. Thank you for the trucks.
this is a question for ashton lewis , I have purchased a ’75 kw w900L with a 12v71, I saw your beautiful titan in springfield in june, and blew me away when you had the cab up and my eyes were fixed on the dirty dozen, likeWOW, WHAT A SITE , what a beautiful restoreation. the question I have is the the v12 in my truck has aluminum valve covers where can you get chrome ones , thanks if you can help, paul adams lethbridge alberta
Paul, My valve covers are aluminum and I had them chrome plated here in Norfolk, VA by Royal Silver. They did all of my chrome work.
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/sissick41.html
This site says Mahwah NJ but the 914 area code is definetly Westchester county.
So it does, thanks!
Eric,
The first machine is a Jacobsen reel gang mower. The second is a Trojan loader. The third is GMC 4×4 conversion snow plow/dump.
Mark (Trucks) Bickelhaupt
Cool, I knew someone out there could figure it out.
The unknown truck between the Michigan loader and Chevy truck on the left side could be a ’42, ’46, or ’47 Ford 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 ton truck.
If only we could travel back in time to be sure!
Eric, great post! Grove was one of the debut customers for the Autocar ACX cab, in 2008. You can easily tell the ACX (still labeled “Xpeditor” near the door on some trucks) from the older WX model as the ACX cab is much deeper and pioneered the rear-quarter window for excellent driver 360 visibility. While the ACX is superficially similar to the WX there are many important improvements that Autocar invested in. I wish the tooling costs were recouped already! Check out http://www.autocartruck.com and follow us on http://www.facebook.com/AutocarTrucks for more great Autocar truck photos, including other vocationals.
Thanks for the info Adam!
Your comment about patterns brought back many memories; as a street superintendent and public works director for 35 years this was one of the more complex problems I ever worked on. In the early 90’s I had worked with a fledgling company that was looking at developing computer program models for agencies based on routes; they broke it all down into nodes, figured capacity, travel time, etc. Never quite worked out. But I learned a lot from companies like UPS that had heavily invested in routing and time study in house. It always came down to the drivers, back then. Now, with satellite, GPS, recording sensors, you can track what drivers do, I was lucky enough to have great staff who didn’t need big brother to always follow up. Just as sweepers work best always making right turns, traffic, storm, intersections, and other agencies where you overlap affect plowing operations. These days, with the world running non stop, keeping streets open until the middle of the night until drivers could work with minimal disturbance is the name of the game, at least in urban and suburban operation.
Well said. The streets were getting plowed and with the sheer number of routes in the downtown area I suppose it doesn’t matter which ones are plowed first outside of emergency and hospital streets.
This is my truck!!
Cool! Nice rig. Any details you can share?
Cool! My father has an old Ford 550 backhoe we use around our farm. Its pretty worn out, and the old 3 cylinder Diesel is pretty tired. He keeps saying we should replace it, but the old dog never seems to skip a beat! (As long as the battery is charged up…) Long live old equipment.
Well said!
This is my page of truck shows put on by the Western Vancouver Island Industrial Heritage Society where I am a member. If you have any question about the Hayes HDX logging truck and other’s I’ll be happy to answer them for you. Danny J
Hi Danny,
Do you mind if I share a few of your photos on this site? Full credit and links to your Flickr will be applied. Either way, those are some great looking rigs.
Always good when Ryan comes back to CNY for sure. While he was working Oneida & Herkimer counties back in the day, I was busy in Madison & Onondaga counties covering the municipal action. Thanks to you and sites like DDD, the action continues!
That’s my good friend Jeffery Colburn at the helm of number 76. He had been recently telling me about the extensive refurb process on this truck. By the looks of this nice photo from the Dispatch, it paid off big time as the truck looks great for being almost 15 years old. There aren’t many Autocars left in the Madison County fleet, this one and its twin number 66, and much to my surprise old number 9, a 1988 ACL64B still in service at the Morrisville division shop.
Jeff is coming up on his 36th year with Madison County and is what I would consider to be a master truck driver (twin-stick transmission shifting expertise included!) and a wealth of knowledge about the Madison County highway’s history. This is no doubt aided by the fact that his father started with the county in 1951 so he literally grew up around the highway department and its truck fleet. We have spent hours sharing war stories and going over details that only truck nuts would consider interesting. I am glad he and number 76 are represented for Autocar Monday!
A bit of trivia for everyone- the previous truck to wear the number 76 in Madison County’s fleet was a 1969 GMC 9500 (JE9710) tandem dump with a 637 V-8 gas engine mated to 5 speed main & 2 speed auxiliary transmissions.
These Golden Gate Transit’s were interesting buses. Though they were transit (T) models, they were actually outfitted as suburbans. High back, forward facing seats on raised platforms. This is a 102 inch wide model, so it is either an 05 or 07. A T8H 5306 would be a 96 inch wide model. Great buses, I’m sorry they are mostly gone.
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Ha! They do still exist. I remember doing double takes when these first arrived in the Onondaga County fleet back in 1989. Glad you were able to track not only one, but both of them down.
These were the only two? Wow! Do you know if these cabs were a factory option or did a third party have to get involved?
Is this Brockway located in East Syracuse off Hartwell Ave? I seemed to remember there were one or two 358 dumps parked over there. That was quite a few years ago though…
No, this is over by Rock Cut Road in Jamesville. Funny you mention those other Brockways. I grew up on the corner of Irving and Dausman so I would see and hear those trucks nearly everyday of my childhood. I didn’t come to appreciate them until they were long gone but at least one lasted at the property until the 90’s. From what I remember they were in tough shape with one eventually being replaced by an Autocar at some point.
I seem to only remember the two and I think Ed confirmed that when we were discussing over at Flickr. The county had just recently purchased several International S-1954 crew cabs when these Fords came in.
While I can’t say for sure, I would be surprised if these were done on line at Ford. Perhaps an after market modification company like Centurion or Fontaine did these?
Eric,
The dozers in the trade are called “Sidewinders”. Their main propose is pipeline pipe layers. The other companies in rerailing are R J Corman and Hulcher Services. Thank for being the eyes of us heavy equipment followers.
Mark
You’re welcome. I only wish I could have stayed longer.
I am not really sure if these were factory or not. I remember my dad taking me to the shop when they were delivered and that they were bought from Mucci’s. I will see if I can find out some more info. We had several of these. #’s 41, 55, 105, 155, 159, 162, 198, A141, and A143 are the ones I can remember. 41, 105, & 159 were in Jamesville. 55 & 155 were in North Area. 198 & A141 were in Camillus. 162 & A143 were in Marcellus. By the way Joe and Eric, the new Western Star AWD is 185 and is in Marcellus, and the new Western Star Wrecker is still 74. Pics and more info to come
Also Eric, I am in North Area for now so if your out that way feel free to stop in.
Awesome! BTW, that black truck was still wearing Mucci mudflaps so I guess we have a winner!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs
I’m not going to lie, that song was going through my head.
😀
They sure like MH’s to me. I think 1982 was the first year so maybe he’s a few years off from memory unless these were prototype’s of some sort.
Also of interest are the R-models destined for Roadway (or at least they look like they are) in photo one. I knew they had some earlier ones with V-903 Cummins and Detroit 8V-71’s in them, early ’70’s or so. Since these are obviously later ’70’s or early 1980’s photos I wonder what they had for power. I also seem to remember Roadway running U-models with 6V-92’s also.
You’re not the only one who spied those R-Models for Roadway. Other pictures on the web confirm the setup and suggest they probably lost their aluminum buds for steel wheels once they transferred from highway to local service. (Thanks for that tip John!)
I just wanted to compliment you on an absolutely beautiful truck our small truck line had some 1981 and 1982 model 9670s we also had many of the late 1970s model co4070 b all had the 350 and 400 cummins engines these were some real
workhorses in their day so sad that era is gone oh well long live the memories.
Great info Ed! Thanks for clearing up that there were several of these Ford 6-doors in the fleet.
By the way, what happened to old 74 the Paystar wrecker? Is it going up for auction or was it traded?
providing a – was not inadvertently left off, you might want to have your temperature
detecting technology’s accuracy verified. Snow is not going to around very long @ 20
I suppose I should clarify, 20 Fahrenheit will allow snow to hang around as long as it pleases.
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Please call me at 304-358-7775, I am very interested in the GMC 9500. I would like to know you location and wanting to know a price. Ready to come look at it ASAP!!!
All the “mulch” is going to Kinsella’s quarry in Fayetteville. They have been trucking it there for a few years… Usually two guy crews in the trucks as well.
I have to wonder why I see them travelling north on Thompson Road fully loaded? I guess they are taking the scenic route? They are starting to haul out the pile closer to Teal Ave now.
Jason, I don’t own the truck and I’m not sure who does. Sorry my friend.
Great memories, will for sure jump on the band wagon if/when they bring back the trucks. Especially if they let us fire up some our old iron, and pair them up against these plastic turds they call trucks now. Jim Wickersham…. I too would love to see pics of your dads truck… #80, meanest Mack “R”, ever. I used to have some from when it was retired and sat out in front of his home and shop…. I80 Towing. But too many years and miles since then, now I can’t find them. Just the ones burned into memory. Wish I could help. Do you know where the truck is today? I left the area about the time they closed the old 76 Truckstop. Heard he sold to G&S and moved to Colfax. Just wondering if he might still have it. Lol, bet he still has “The Hooker”.
FYI, we lived just down the road in Mitchellville, my dad was Matt McKeone… if that helps remember who I am…
Awesome Fleet.
Nice trucks – spent 6 winters in a snowplow in Central NY.
Why would you ever leave? 😉
Utica, many years ago, had dedicated single purpose Walters with concrete blocks & single rear tires. The Walters were not as fancy as the Watertown rigs. No rear fenders, no paint on the concrete blocks. Just raw truck. And you didn’ t want to get to close, because they threw huge rooster tail of slush.
Definitely an old school setup in these trucks.
Mark, these concrete counterweights were originally on Watertowns Walters, they had a whole fleet of them for many years. Started replacing them with the Macks in the late 80’s.
Ryan does it again! That Little Falls M-series would be gas too unless they re-powered it at some point. Either a Red Diamond 450 or 501 under the hood. These models were discontinued sometime in 1972.
Awesome pictures, keep them coming!
That’s the one. It was was getting a new cutting edge so no photos. 🙁
Looks like a all wheel drive International in the mix.
I know Mohawk still had a Walter a couple years ago. Do they still have it?
Yes they do Mike. Ryan says it is mint condition and packed behind a bunch of mowers. They don’t plow with it and only bring it out for parades and such.
Where is this place located at
East of Watertown, NY on Route 12
Excellent. Glad to see they are still there.
Ryan confirmed that the double-winger in the first photo (parked next to the CAT dozer) is the old crew or sedan cab unit, thankfully still around. At one time, this truck had a Roto-Wing on it. Hard to tell from this photo if the second engine is still mounted on the back or not.
Moments before checking your comment I just took a look at the photo of the “crew cab” Walter. What a unique machine.
Wow. That crew cab one sure is quite a special Walter. How cool it would be to see it with the rotowing in action. The Bros one is quite a special one too. By the way, the roto-wing one is an AWUS, the one Bros blower one looks like an AGBS, and the B-model with the sander also looks like another AGBS. The big one with the sander is likely an AWUS repowered with a Cummins as it says Snow Fighter on the tag instead of Diesel, but it only has a single pipe.
Gotta be the most desireable truck anyone ciuld pray for.
Would be a dream come true.,.
Native Americans Pony For Sure.PRAY,PRAY,PRAY……….
Roto-Wing engine is still mounted!! I was told the wing is out in the yard somewhere.
That Walters N is Awesome!Great to see some towns holding on to the old iron.
I seem to remember a discussion about this truck somewhere. Perhaps Facebook? Mark Redman may know the fate of this truck and the others parked next to her. These special Walters were equipped with Detroit 6V-71N engines!
I too saw this truck many times over the years and never stopped so don’t feel bad Eric. You’re not the only one!
Yeah, Ryan really nailed that one. That old number 83 tucked away is a real find. Look closely…that Walter looks pre-war to me. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a ’39 or ’40 vintage. Great stuff.
Great to see them still in service!!! Sure wish I lived closer. Besides the N-cab one, the ones in the garage look like some big ACUS models. That vintage Walter sure is quite a classic. With it being that old, that might have the real old 5 speed Walter transmission. If not, it’s probably one of the oldest ones with the 6 forward/2 reverse transmission.
Nothing wrong with gas, when I started in the business longer ago than I care to say, most municipal trucks were gas, as the cost generally wasn’t justifiable, and availability of bullet proof mid spec diesels was lean. The cost of a big bore Cummins could buy an extra truck in a fleet order, and the 180’s, DV550’s, and other mid range’s just didn’t hold up in severe service. Spend 16 hours in a Brockway with a 6-71, and your ears would bleed. Till the Cat 1160 was established, and pushed the market up, lots of trucks had 401v6 gas, Gold Comet Reo’s, big Waukesha and Continentals, 477 and 534 Super Duties, and of course, the above mentioned RD 450 and 501 IH’s, all of which required auxiliary trannies, but could deliver the power and durability needed in local fleets.
Mike, you might be right about the Walter parked next to the ACL Autocar. It sure looks like an ACUS model. But, that Walter in the garage next to the Vohl blower probably isn’t an ACUS. If you closely you can see the rear wheel hub revealing it has the B series axles. So, my guess is either a FGBS or FCBS and looks identical to the ’63 I got to drive over at the Town of Sullivan.
At closer observation, I do see the B-axle now. The one next to the ACL, there are pictures of it out plowing on P 580 of the DOT/City/Town thread on plowsite. By the way, I just saw on imagery from TerraServer that as of August that big QCUS from Dobbin’s with the V903 Cummins and Allison automatic is still just sitting in their now closed yard. Thankfully, people have told me no scrapping is going on and everything has been pretty much the same since after the auction. At this point, I’m hoping my friend and I can rescue it when the weather warms up!!
Well alright then! Is this one of the two Onondaga County units?
does anyone know who the manufacture of the truck body on the Freightliner is?
Nick, I just saw one on the street this afternoon and looked it over from top to bottom. I wasn’t able to find any form of identification on it all.
Two things: Where is SL#1, and I am not an expert, but I think that started life as a Ford (County),4×4 tractor. CR
Good question! But I have no idea. You are correct about the make of tractor.
You are now officially the “Plow King!!” Stellar journalism and videography!! Makes my 65 degree weather feel so much better.
The entire dealership is “one small building behind a tall fence?!” Do you know there are 4 other full service locations for Utica General through out NY state?…
When it comes to the Syracuse location there is nothing more than I stated. My point is this, every other major truck brand from Kenworth to Mack to Volvo to International has a major presence complete with new and used equipment, repairs and sales. Their lots are full of activity. Comparatively speaking nothing similar is taking place at the Syracuse UG branch. I just figured there would be more action at such a major player.
Looks like old Yellow freight co. truck
Haines & Kibblehouse has a large fleet of older Macks. A few years back they did extensive rehab on some of the old RD’s including replacing frame rails!
Neat loader! As a side note, at the rigging company I work for, it is not uncommon to use forklifts to move trailers around the yard. I’ve even used them to load (immobile) trailers on other trailers, and occasionally flip a flat trailer to access the underside. Fun stuff!
Ahh…the elusive Onondaga County truck #134 Mack Granite. Funny, Jeff just sent me some pictures of this truck last week after seemingly no one had actually seen this truck!
Nice shot of Madison County truck #22 Workstar. The truck actually looks pretty tough for a modern unit. When I started there, #22 was a 1963 Walter FGBS with Waukesha gas power, soon replaced by a 1993 steel nose White-GMC WG64B. Time sure does fly by!
When it rains it pours! I agree on the WorkStar, funny how the look can vary from one truck to the next considering they are mostly the same model no matter where you go.
I’d choose the Oshkosh any day. If you want to push snow, push it with an Oshkosh. Too bad they’re hard to come by.
True, it’s rare to seem the outside of an airport nowadays.
first two are unknown but the 3rd one is a Volvo WG. 4th one is an Autocar and the last one is a Volvo WG series
Here’s an idea, PUSH ON THE BRAKE PEDAL
Would totally buy the old snow plows if i had the money
Me too. Sadly they are long gone.
How’d you know that MJ?
Ive been a truck fan since I was a kid, living in NYC you get to follow the NY city fleet with out really trying to hard.
AWesome love old trucks like that
So sick, you should buy this Eric, it has your name on it!
wow nice
GMC stepside middle of closest row
That cab would look great as a fire truck. And it’s already painted red. 😀
You’ve got fire trucks on the brain my friend!
I always do. 😀
Nice work. Now all the truck nuts out there who come across a Walter can immediately know what engine is in it, except for those cases when they were re-powered.
Also useful to know is in most cases the first two digits of the six digit serial number is the model year. I have seen a few that were registered a year newer (perhaps due the actual delivery date) but in most cases this will hold true. So, a truck with a serial number of 607501 would be a 1960 model year Walter.
Any idea on paint code or where to determine a paint code on a 95 walters snow fighter.
Thank you
I’ll ask around and let you know if I find anything.
I’ve been told that paint color for most snow plows was not very unique, usually school bus yellow or Omaha orange. To find out exactly what color your truck had from the factory you’ll need to find the original build sheet.
Would there be any footage of the strike that occurred in 1969, I believe. Both my father and grandfather worked there; and I was only 5 years old when my father took me there with him that day. Just wondering!
Yes there is a few pages and photos dedicated to the 1969 strike.
Matt, my dad worked at Northwest engineering at the time of that strike. So did my uncle and my grandfather. While I am not terribly interested in the equipment, I am curious about how the story of the strike was told.
Feel free to touch base with me!
Junk by another name and just plain junk – customer bought 73 MaxxForce last year – bought NONE this year!
I am really liking those new Western Star cabs. And the CATs are really nice too. And both would still look good as fire trucks. 😀
The Case industrial equipment color schemes changed over the years. You have to take into account what year machine you are looking at. If you’ve mainly seen machines from the mid-80’s through mid-90’s, you’ll be used to the Power Tan/Brown machines. Mid-70’s through mid-80’s they were Power Yellow with black graphics. Since 1995 or so, the colors have been Power Tan with charcoal gray.
1983-84 saw changes in color schemes at Case for both the Industrial and Agricultural equipment lines. Determining if a machine is pre or post 1983 for Industrial and 1984 for Ag will help you figure out if the color is “right”. Of course, for every rule, there are exceptions. NYS often spec’d their own shade of yellow while the NYS Thru-Way authority had an even different shade. Other highway/municipal authorities spec’d their equipment with Safety Orange paint. So, like so many other things, the answer to “is the color right?” is It Depends………..
Good info. Another thing to take into account is digital discrepancies between cameras, monitors and photo tweaking that may have taken place ultimately changing the color just enough to cause confusion. Life in the modern age, ain’t it grand?
They are portable pug mills that set up typically in municipal yards and make cold mix for paving. There would also be a T/T with emulsion attached to this pug mill while in operation .The bin on the rear is split in half to allow two different stone types . Then the mix is transferred up the belt to the pug mill where emulsion is added and blended by an operator and then dropped out the front . A loader operator fills the bins and removes mix from the front of the truck and either loading trucks or stock piles the product .
Thanks for the information Ray.
These are probably W712-15R model Oshkosh’s with the “R” standing for rebuild, a military program to completely rebuild these trucks from the frame rails up and replace their original gas engines with CAT diesels. The truck probably has a 1673 or perhaps the later 3306 depending on the rebuild date, although some of these went through two rebuild cycles before being auctioned off. The original truck power plant was the Continental 572 in-line six gas. If that is a Sicard BX blower, then yes a CAT D348 V-12 is under the hood replacing the original Continental V-12 gas engine.
These were originally manufactured from about 1958 through 1964. The rebuild program started in 1971 or ’72 and lasted through 1991. Like I mentioned, some trucks saw a second round of rebuilds in the 1980’s after first being done in the early ’70’s. The original serial numbers in the trucks were reused, however after the rebuilds would have an “R” then two digits indicating the year of the rebuild. For example: 8057-R79 would be a 1964 era truck, rebuilt in 1979 by Oshkosh for the Air Force.
Some of these included the upgraded Oshkosh cab, but these two still have the old W-series version with the upgraded, later style fenders.
Jim Mennard is THE expert on these trucks. His book on the bigger Oshkosh WT-2206 truck is a detail lovers dream.
Definitly the first time I’ve ever seen strobes or any lights for that matter on the headrack of a log truck!
The’re just begging to be smashed off.
They really are! They have a great spot on the cab or the mirrors!
Eric,
From some pictures I found, it sure looks like a hydrogen cooled generator designed to be paired with a gas turbine in a power plant.
Jason
Wow, sounds complex!
Eric,
My name s Marcus Francois, I am interested into buying few dump Mack trucks. please to email me or call me at anytime at (339) 532-9386.
Thanks!
Hi, I have no Macks to sell. Thanks for stopping by.
Try watching that in 3-D :D.
I believe that kenworth was a demo for Henderson plow equipment. I work for a township in chautauqua County. Every year all the Towns,villages and county highway get together for the highway picnic. Vendors bring new trucks and equipment. That truck is T800 with a C500 hood reason being because of the extended front frame. The T800 hood and grille is one piece where the C500 hood an grille are separate witch is needed for plow frames … Chautauqua County has received 6 kenwoths in the past 2yrs .. I might have some pictures .
Good info Tim. Thanks for sharing.
I moved my daughter out of Syracuse University on Monday. On our way south to home, I saw the Wienermobile headed north on I-81! Now I know where it was headed.
The Army wrecker is a model M543A1 or A2 with the Austin-Western built crane (the hydraulic reservoir on the right side of the boom is a dead give-away). These were mounted on the 5-ton 6×6 chassis, built by International, Mack, AM General and a few others.
The early M543’s (& M62) wreckers were Continental gas powered. The A1 models had the Mack ENDT-673 diesel and the A2’s the Continental LDS-465 multi-fuel diesels. I have seen some with Cummins NTC-250’s too which I believe were re-powered, earlier gas models.
81 miles? Perhaps if it was a military refurb that was in cold storage until being sold.
On second look, this may be an M816 now that I notice the air cleaner on the left side rather than the right. If it is an M816, then it was built by AM General and has a Cummins NHC-250 in it. Sorry for the confusion.
Joe,
Agree with your M816 assesment.
Jason
Autocar Group Meeting is listed on “Schedule of Events” in the Registration Form (v2) Page 2 in the March/April issue of Wheels of Time.
Thanks Ed. I thought for sure I saw a different ad along with a photo an Autocar truck. I guess I must have made it up! Autocars on the brain you see.
Eric
It is a M929 or M929A1. Depends the engine/ trans other options. An M929A2 has central tire inflation, which this dumper does not.
Mark
Ah, it’s all about the details!
I hope you realize they are entirely produced by Navistar in Mexico.
The Cat-branded trucks are built by Navistar Inc. under a contract manufacturing agreement. Navistar assembles the vehicles at its plant in Escobedo, Mexico.
The CT680 features Cat’s CT13 engine, which is also built for Cat by Navistar. The 13-liter engine features selective catalytic reduction technology to meet emission standards and offers horsepower ratings from 410 to 475 and peak torque ratings from 1,450 to 1,700 pound-feet.
http://www.ttnews.com/articles/basetemplate.aspx?storyid=38302
Personally, I see a lot shabby about Navistar and would never buy products from a company that moved production to Mexico and put thousands of Americans out of work and hurt the economy of towns these plants were located in.
Hi Richard thank for stopping by. I am aware that Cat trucks are produced by Navistar at their factory in Mexico. I wrote about this move back in 2012 (click here for story) when the Garland, Texas plant was closed. Personally I find it difficult to pick on Navistar for this move as not one major truck builder has not made similar decisions in the past 20 years. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find any major national company that has not followed the same course of action. My home town is littered with the shells of industry that moved to southern states and beyond. I suppose we can blame politicians or corporate greed but ultimately the jobs are gone and we have to find new ways to support ourselves that don’t rely on the government or some distant corporate boardroom. At least Navistar’s Springfield operations continue to thrive and Ford has moved production of their heavy trucks back to Ohio. That has to count for something right?
Thanks for the reply but I don’t agree all other manufacturers made the move other than to become global to build trucks to be sold in Foreign markets. How many Volvo , Mack, Kenworth or Peterbilt trucks does the U.S. import?
In 2005 the Ontario and Federal governments gave a subsidy of $62M to Navistar to “save jobs” at their Chatham plant. The plant employed approximately 400 people per year before shutting down altogether in 2009, a mere 4 years later. The last I heard the Canadian government was going to demand partial repayment.
Freightliner has two factories in Mexico, one of which is responsible for their complete line of heavy duty vocational trucks. On the subject of Mack they are no longer a US based company and import many of their drive line components (axles, etc) from factories outside of the US. Paccar imports engine components from it’s DAF truck unit. It’s really unavoidable in this modern time. I’ll agree with you on Navistar pulling the rug out from under Chatham. They shut down one of their most historic manufacturing plants for dubious reasons at best. I’ve often wondered what impact this had on their Canadian sales as they always seemed to be a strong player up north.
I too have mixed feelings about Navistar. Fort Wayne was once home to a huge IH truck plant. After that left, much of the R&D remained here in Allen County. A couple of years ago, they packed up and moved it all to Lisle, IL outside of Chicago. That took upwards of a thousand good paying jobs with it. To this day, the City of Fort Wayne is still buying Navistar trucks. Personally, I feel that if Fort Wayne and Indiana isn’t good enough for Navistar, then they should repay them in kind and move to VoMac and Freightliner/Western Star. In spite of that, I do enjoy the looks of a 7400/7600 and it is pretty cool to see the different setups the various city departments spec and also the color coding of the vehicles. Blue 7600 tandems for the water department, orange 7400 and 7600 single and tandems for the street department, pale yellow for a department I can’t remember, dark yellow for the storm water vac trucks, dark green for Parks and Rec. Maybe I should start taking pictures…..
As far as the CAT vocational trucks, they are a tiny minority in the various truck fleets around here. I do like the way they look and it’s always good to see something “different”, but it would be nicer if CAT trucks were actually built by CAT. In the USA.
Jason
Really sad i think someone will restore this one
I hope that is the case John.
That’s a really nice K100E. Don’t see many like that anymore.
While in the US Navy I was in Viet Nam on lcu boats. There was 6 engines on each boat, three 6-71’s for power; two 2-71’s for electric power and one 4-71 for the anchor winch. The engines just ran and ran. We had injector problems because of dirty fuel, so injectors was replaced frequently. The 6-71’s turned a 4 foot 4 blade prop, engine ran at 1600 rpm’s. A few times ( in time of need ) would be pushed to 1800 rpm’s. One day we blew an engine ( actually the twin disc clutch ), Pieces was every where.
Always liked the sound of the engines running at cruising speed ( 1600 rpm ). One class of boats had a pair of 6-71 together on one shaft, one right hand rotation and one left hand rotation, I think they was turbo charged units These boats had two shafts. Very dependable engines all the time, as long as the fuel was good and oil was maintained. Charlie J.
Thanks for serving Charles! Great story appreciated by this former Navy boat snipe. I sure do remember those twin discs.
I am the guy the that bought the A car (prime mover) off E bay last week.If anyone has info please contact me.603 641 8608
Hey Brian, my name is Paul Mooney, I am the great grandson of the original owner of that truck and the grandson of the man who spec’d it out. I was recently looking to see if this truck still was kicking and then I came across this article. I would really appreciate if I could get in contact with you about it sometime soon.
I love that Deckleman superliner in the back of the one picture! Did he have his B-61 there? That truck is a pulling machine.
The yellow one with huge stacks?
Great to see the photos and videos of my White trucks. The 3000 is a barn find, with 40k original miles on it, still with paper on the seat corners from the factory, stickers and papers, etc. to validate its originality!
I am the 2nd owner of the Construcktor. Really great truck, though it is the “poor man’s autocar”. Looks just like it rolled off the factory floor inside and out!
The trend is a unique truck–and is for sale 😉
It was great to see them at the show. So glad you brought them out. The White 3000 has long been one of my favorite trucks. Such a unique design. I’ll start saving my pennies for the Trend and get back to you on it. 😉
Not the bees! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
haha, my thoughts exactly!
😀
Saw the Mack FCSW dump truck at the Mack factory last year on a customer visit. It is bigger in real life than these pictures indicate! Beautiful trucks all.
Amazing restorations on what are truly unique rigs.
Generoso Pope arrived in America at age 15 in 1906 with $10 in his pocket and got his first job carrying drinking water to construction workers for $3 per week. He rose to construction supervisor and, eventually, owner of Colonial Sand & Stone, which was the largest sand and gravel company in the world. Colonial built much of New York City’s skyline, including Rockefeller Center, Radio City Music Hall, the Empire State Building, the George Washington Bridge, and the original Yankee Stadium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generoso_Pope
http://gpfny.org/about-the-foundation/our-founder/
If anyone wants some history about the Pope family and Colonial, there is a book that I just got done reading called ‘The Deeds Of My Father’ The author of the book is Gene Pope JR’s son Paul David Pope the grandson of Generoso Pope. I could not put this book down!! And would recommend it to anyone who remembers the Colonial S&S days
http://tinyurl.com/nmm2gpg
Thank you! This is what I had in mind.
Eric I know the pope family and they are wondering where you found this truck? Please call me at (914) 265-0647
Just saw your pictures and posts and would like to talk to you. 9144032067
Anthony Pope
Well if it’s any value to you I can’t help much with or about the trucks, however my family were the tugboat people who floated and delivered the barges up and the the rivers of New York and new jersey using colional sand and stone flagships
Greetings Robert, I just came across this ” Colonial History Site”. Would you remember Herbert Lansing my former neighbor who operated the tugs and barges for Colonial; good guy, was working on getting me a job their in the early 1970’s but it never materialized.
Eric, my blue 360 was ordered, purchased and used by Colonial. According to my paperwork, Colonial ordered four V12 360’s with that order. I believe the gentleman that has these Autocars recently sold a Colonial 360 mate to my 360.
I’m glad you brought that up as the Brockway Truck forum is one of the few places outside of the ATHS forum where you can find information on the fleet. I’ll update my original post. Hope all is well!
Outstanding find by Ryan.
Now what are the chances of one of them being
restored before I die
Jim
The Bison was introduced in 1976,and was discontinued as of 1980 along with the Titan(the 90 was dropped from the Titan 90 in 1979,1970-1980 Chevy Titan.)The Grilles are different on Chevy’s “Heavies”. So they are similar or basically the same but the Badges and GRILLES,and Bowties are what sets them apart,they are both great,but The Chevrolet versions of The GMC Astro 95 and GMC General look better.The General ‘s last year was actually 1988(a few were made)the Astro(the 95 was dropped in 79′)made up until 87’. And the Brigadier would go on If I am not mistaken past 88′ as “VolvoWhiteGMC” Brigadier,GM And Volvo Trucks had a Partnership in 87. as Volvo GM Heavy Trucks.
I would say you’re right Eric. That Ford LT-9000 is definitely powered by a Detroit 8V-71N.
I was wondering if Disney has phased out the final RTS yet or not. I still have yet to see one on this trip and this is day 4 already.
Hmm, maybe? I’ll be back in 2016. Not really expecting see many but if I do I will take pictures/videos.
I’ve been looking around on the Internet and found a few articles that said they’ve all been retired at the very least from guest service. Sad to see the originals go.
Oh yes. They’re gone all right.
That orange Western Star 4900 is one sharp looking truck. Who got that?
I believe that went to Oswego (NY) County.
It is most likely a W-700-15R the R usually stands for rotary. The front engine would most likely be a Cat 3306 with a D-343 to power the blower in the rear.
Thank for the info Jim!
Murphy Excavating of New Hartford NY had a GMC 9500 that they pulled their lowboy around with in the early 80’s. Beautiful truck to see and hear, especially loaded.
At time the world was filled with classics…but nobody knew!
Thanks for showing my Autocar! It is the blue one in the slide show with 225 on the hood. She’s not perfect, but a lot of fun to drive! It is a 1976 s64tf, 290 small cam formula with an rto 12513, eaton 402’s with 4:33 on freightliner airride.
My pleasure! Thanks for the additional info.
Hey, you missed the Big Horn tandem axle mini truck. 🙂 Not really a Big Horn, but very neat and well done. Cutting down the BH hood must have been a ton of work.
Thanks for all the pics!!!!!!!!
Jerry Sharp
Thanks Jerry. I missed a lot of trucks. There was simply too much to see. It was a nice problem to have!
After working in a steam driven power plant for over thirty two years, I will definitely say it is a large GE generator for either a gas turbine or steam turbine plant. Yes most generators with steam turbines are hydrogen cooled , but our gas turbine generators were air cooled units. hope this answers your question.
Thank you. An impressive unit it was.
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I am not sure you could come across a rarer find than this. I am simply amazed it still exists. It belongs in a transportation museum but like many LeTourneau products, it is so big, transporting it would be big money.
I wonder if the LT360 Electric Digger pan scraper still exists? Three scraper bowls in one machine with eight Detroit 16V-71N engines! No doubt the test operators suffered massive hearing loss as they aged.
If only money and time were not in short supply.
I think those internationals were from the late 60’s or early 70’s. Because it just says Internatinal on them and before that time it was International Harvester Farmall.
Good guess. I think you are probably correct.
Haha. I’m a big fan of IH and Farmalls
When someone writes an article he/she maintains the plan of a user in his/her brain that how a user
can know it. Thus that’s why this piece of writing is great.
Thanks!
From ANCIENT memory, as I recall, there was (key word WAS) a moment in time (mid-80’s) when there was quite the focus on ‘updating’ older Dayton-trucks to Budd trucks. I don’t remember how it was done exactly. I can’t remember if they were swapping drums, changing whole axles, or if there was some conversion kit out there that allowed it to be done. I know most-all Chevy C65 and C70’s came with all-around Daytons, and I have seen more than one mid-70’s C65 sporting Budds (which was not possible in the day OEM).
Good luck finding this information, but I know I have seen it and heard the truckstop talk of it. It is NOT a direct conversion, there IS some hardware change required to do the conversion.
Our trucks had all Budd aluminum rims and the mechanic loved them. He told me how with the “old Dayton Claw hubs” as he called them, if it was time to replace the brakes on the drive axles, you had to first deflate and remove the tires and spacer on the duals. Then the entire claw hub itself had to be slid out with the axle to get to the brakes! A very laborious job, with great attention to re assembling every par tcorrectly.
What a great list of websites. I’m a frequent visit of PlowSite.com
Thank You. Impressive fleet of snow fighting equipment you have there!
Come on. Only a little taste of diesel/automatic with touch of Federal Q/air horn. I will raise more fire apparatus in the near future. Thanks for keeping track of SFD. I used to photograph the SFD when they were chrome yellow. O for the old days. Returning to quarters.
I’ve been desensitized with Station 1 only two blocks south of my office. I don’t even hear them go by anymore! The yellow trucks sure were special. Maybe two years ago I saw one on the street. It must have been the last.
Hi! any idea where the 4300 is at? and is it for sale?
It’s about time you feature some pictures of fire trucks on here that I didn’t send you. 😀 ;D
A Spaamfaa event is in town this weekend…..you soon may have more than you can handle!
u r so right, does look like old ( y f s ) unit. used 2 drive those back & forth to the y f s facility in k.c.
I think that the term “carting” come from the use of trash or rubbish carts in NYC before the use of trucks. When cities were burn coal for heat, ash carts were used to haul the waste ash away from the houses to the wagon or truck. Trucks haul & carts cart.
NYC trash trucks are the biggest, baddest and toughest of all trash trucks.
I agree with Mark above that NYC garbage and ash used to be hauled in carts – typically starting as hand carts then later horse drawn. The refuse collected was brought to the river and dumped into areas seeking to expand the shore line usually around already stripped and sunk scrap wooden ship hulls. This how the NYC shore line had expanded from its original footprint.
Also agreed with Mark about NYC trash hauling trucks being the “biggest, baddest and toughest of all trash trucks” but add that they used to be the prettiest back in the mid 1980s and early 1990s when certain organized crime elements were entrenched in the waste hauling industry and before recycling caught on (or was mandated.) It was nothing to see trash trucks with custom paint, polished stainless steel inset panels between the ribs of the body, chrome bumpers, polished and cleaned daily bodies. The very used Western Star looks to be a beaten and dirty holdover from that era.
That definitely sounds like quite a big project. I’m not sure that I’ve personally seen more than one or two concrete pumping machines working on a single project before. It’d be interesting to see just how much concrete they ended up pumping out of each of those machines by the end of the day.
do I see just one floatation tire on that international or are my eyes playing tricks on me?
It’s a matching set Jack. Syracuse runs their trucks hard but not that hard. 🙂
ok thanks eric.
Nice one..
Hi there everyone. Big rig racing has been growing in Calgary Alberta Canada since the early 90’s we have expanded to many tracks south of the border such as south sound speedway in tenino Washington and the bullring in Las Vegas Nevada. With the closure of our track in Calgary, the rigs will take on more tracks in the states. The series is called NORTH AMERICAN BIG RIG RACING
check it out on Facebook/northamericanbigrigracing
And the website http://www.bigrigracers.com
It would be great to see some new faces down at the track
Stay tuned for anymore info and season schedules
Awesome! Best of luck!
http://youtu.be/FbtavKeVGOU
This is a link to one of the first races this season in salt lake city
Nice pics. Looks like a lot of nice rigs were there.
Eric,
I didn’t know that you are a conisour of agricultural motor muscle. It’s great to provide a window to the world of modern tractors & the equipment that follows. I will look for some field shots in my area. There are a lot of unique older trucks and tractors out there.
Mark
Oh yes. Some real gems can be found hiding in the country.
Grant Roberts, Larry Marmet, and I rescued the first truck with the 903 Cummins and Allison automatic this Tuesday and will be restoring it.
Good news. “Caterpillar Inc. has announced it will begin independently designing and manufacturing its vocational truck product family at its plant in Victoria, Texas. The plant, which opened in 2012, currently produces hydraulic excavators.” Bringing jobs back to the U.S. Caterpillar launched its first vocational truck, the CT660, in 2011, with Navistar manufacturing both the vehicles and engines under the Cat brand in Escobedo, Mexico
http://www.dieselprogress.com/July-2015/UPDATE-Cat-To-Take-Over-Work-Truck-Production-From-Navistar/#.VdjL_PlViko
Agree. Even Ford brought heavy truck building back to the U.S. this summer.
It is a Northwest Model 25-D outfitted with a dual cable crowd dipper front shovel of 3/4 yd, capacity. Most likely built between the mid-1950’s to mid-1960’s . By the mid to late 60’s NW would stop shipping machines equipped in their smaller ranges. the rubber tire front-end loader had usurped this sector of the marker. The faded and rusty sheetmetal colors look like old NYS DOT colors. Most likely it is I know that the NYS DOT bought quite a few Model 25’s, Model 41’s and Model 6’s through those years. These Model 25’s would be placed around the state at DOT terminals for aggregate loading of DOT trucks.
Check out a book titled “The Story of Northwest Engineering Company” available on Amazon lots of info. on Northwest and their machines.
Regarding the Northwest Engineering Company Photographic Archive Series.
Volume #1 was released last December 2014, Volume #2 will be out by the end of September 2015. Volume #3 the last in the series will be out sometime next summer 2016 .
All are and will be available through the publisher Buffalo Road Imports or the Historical Construction Equipment Association visit their respective websites.
I’m not sure if this will reach Matt or Eric or neither but here it goes. I work for the owner of the building that used to be Northwest’s test lab. If Matt is ever in the Green Bay area, I would love to show him the inside.
Your message have been received! I will make sure this reaches Matt.
MACK TRUCKS makes their truck and assembles them in the U.S with mkst co ponents supplied by U.S manufacturers. They moved production of key components like chassis / frames and axles to be near the MACK plants and brough to the U.S the manufacturing of their M-Drive Automated Manual.
While my 2012 Navitrash International WorstStar has MADE IN MEXICO in every component from frame, bumper, hood, axles, wiring harness, windshield, window glass, dashboard (cheap plastic)
CATERPILLAR TRUCKS now can be ordered in GLIDER KIT FORM and they can be fitted with real CATERPILLAR diesel engines that are in Surplus like the CATERPILLAR C13. They got to move away from the MAXXFORCE fiasco if they want to polish their wounded image (because the relation with NAVISTAR and being Made in MEXICO)
They will announce a new 15 liter engine strategy and I hope it comes in the revival of their 15 liter C-15 or C-16 engines with no ACERT but with SCR technology and they got quite some time to figure-out and learn about Selective Catalytic Reduction.
I really want them to get it right. CT680 + REAL CATERPILLAR ENGINE + CATERPILLAR AUTOMATIC and they’ll get my attention.
So my beloved (I really hate it) MAXXFORCE 9 will now be “re-born” and known as the “N-9”, only that now it won’t be CHOKED on its own exhaust gas (“Advanced” EGR)
¿Will Cummins be the supplier of SCR Systems? Oh, these have their tons of issues too.
Not to mention the poor craftsmanship Navistar puts on the assebly of their trucks.
DT-Series where their last good engines.
Now I call them:
NAVITRASH
JUNKERNATIONAL
WORSTSTAR
LACKSFORCE
I”ll be happy if they are OUT OF BUSINESS
I like TowStar cause they’re always on the hook
INTERNATIONAL V8 are JUNK
9.0
T444E
VT365
I have 2 T444E’s and they do the job. Yeah sure they are under powered and slow but they do the job well and reliably. They both are fairly low mileage at 200000 miles but they both seem like they will have long lives ahead of them.
Im not sure why every one dislikes them.
The larger bore engines, typically found in the class 8 OTR trucks had many problems. The smaller liter engines like yours behaved much better.
I beg to differ.. the t444e and the original dt engines are legendary.. probably best ever made..
I have an old la 40. Trojan loader or road tool I will sell for right price it runs 4 cylinder flat head Hercules engine ph. 814-678-3846 in pa.
We still run dome daytons on our bulk trailers I think we have roughly 24 bulk trailers
Still plenty around, especially on trailers. I see that Mack and International still offer them on steer axles by custom order.
I am looking for Dayton 22 inch rims with 1100R tires. Do you know where any are at. Thanks
Hi Danny, the modern 11.00-22 tire replacement in a radial would be a 12R24.5 tubeless tire on a 24.5 tubeless dayton rim which slides right on in place of your lock ring tube type 22’s. Luckily you have 22″ wheels because the 24″ tube type does not have a tubeless replacement. Likewise old 20″ tube type daytons take a modern 22.5″ rim. (10.00-20 in tubeless is an 11.00-22.5 or 11R22.5) I have some Autocars and a Brockway with the popular heavy tire in the day, 11.00-22 and would love to find the correct size 12R24.5 tires on Daytons. The readily available 11R24.5 tires are a lot smaller than it sounds! If you see them side by side at a truck show you will understand. The speedometer will be off considerably too and it just doesn’t look right to me. But if I wanted to take a road trip and it was a choice between weather checked old tube type 11-22’s or nice 11R24.5 sneakers I would take the latter and console myself knowing it would give me a little advantage in a slow race. IF I could afford it my rigs would be sporting 12R24.5 sneakers after a restoration because I like an occasional road trip and piece of mind.
RWC,Inc sprays herbicides along rail corridors. They have operations in Ohio, Tenn and right here in Westfield Massachusetts. I had thought they were know as Railroad Weed Control many years ago.
Makes sense! Thanks for the details.
Eric
Didn’t NYS Gas & Electric use the gray/orange color schemein the old days? Back in day, utilities were very colorful. Niagria Mohawk was dark green with reflective yellow striping and logo. Sharp. Almost military. Now everybody is vanilla white. Cheap color. Add logos and colorful striping & volia, you have utility truck or maybe a MOW RR truck. All thing running to get her. A true classic work truck. You seem to continue to outdo yourself.
Very possible, I believe parts of the Finger Lakes fell into the NYSEG footprint. White is definitely the color of modern times for nearly every truck regardless of profession. Very boring. I’ve noticed National Grid is starting to place some colorful lines on their trucks that spice them up a bit.
I think it’s from the late 1950s.
I live FL but came NY and I like the old plow trucks. I worked Brockway branch in Elmira from 1970 to1974.. Thanks for the flash back
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We are also participating in the ChampTruck world series, you can add our website to this page if you would like.
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May God bless them all.
And of course you can’t forget the Mack CF. 😀
hello I also own a 1937 stewart it is a ute pick up and would love any more info on these rare trucks as production numbers etc thank you George 805 272 5073 california
I wish I knew more George. Maybe if you can find this out of print book you would receive the answers you seek. http://www.amazon.com/Stewart-Corporation-Buffalo-manufacturers-1912-1942/dp/B00071CZE6
The NO was a 7.5 ton 6×6 made during WW2. It was primarily a cargo carrier. It used the Mack triple reduction kingpin drive front axle. The cab is not original nor is anything forward of the grill. These trucks were very long lived and many have been customized and/or converted like this one. They are relatively rare in the US and most went to Europe.
Impressive machine. It can not be duplicated by a truck of today.
In the last photo, there is a military Mack in the background. Did you get a close up of it? All the shot s are great. The 6X6 plow truck is one of s kind.
Yes I did. Mack Defense had more than a few neat trucks on hand. Check back on Sunday for full coverage.
Looks like Mack has gone the way of many defence contractors, the rest of the world is their customers, not USDOD. The trucks are cool, but Mack is left to design trucks for foreign customers. It is sad that the maker of WW I Bulldog truck of the US Army, is now a second to AM General & Oshkosh. But on a more positive note, Mack is trying make smaller trucks like they use too when they produced the Mack Jr.
With the process a manufacturer has to go through to build a vehicle that will survive the years of tests, political blundering, changing requirements, and exhaustive list of capabilities it’s a wonder the DOD has anything in their fleet.
I have 12, 8, 6 & 4 V-71 detroits firing both my fleet of tugboats and workboats as well as a few cranes and dredge pumps.
They are all Naturals and I simply love them. Not much is reliable in this world and at sea I have learned that I can count on only 2 things.
1.) Without fail the sea will be relentless and when it bears its teeth there is absolutely no room for error or hesitation, particularly in the engine room.
2.) My Detroits will never stop running and will dig deep to power through anything the sea throws my way. The only reason they will stop running is because I have safely returned to port and shut them down.
Great story. Thank you for sharing.
I have a 12v71tta, almost 18000 hours. Runs great. The 17v71n it replaced thru a rod out the side. I pulled all the pieces out, covered the hole with plywood, and ran 800 remember until late afternoon town arrived.
I’m 66 now and have been on fishing boats, in California, since 6 yrs old. 9 out of 10 trips the boats were powered by 71 series engines, the greatest majority were 6-71’s. 2-71’s were very common for gen sets. There was an occasional V8 Cummins and one or two D343 Cats. That’s it. Some of these boats were built in the early 50’s and still had engines with Gray Marine on valve covers. Also got to run some of the Long Beach to Catalina taxis which, at the time, were powered by 12 or 16V149’s. Deutz’s were used for awhile but most went back to the DD’s at re-power.
This was before the 80’s when Cal. and EPA got together for a massive re-power of commercial and charter fleets. So, started seeing modern 4 strokes creep in. Boat owners wanted quick turn around for an engine repair and Detroits gave them that. The sound of DD 71’s were a big part of my child hood.
Thanks again Eric. 😀
That wasn’t that loud!
My ears are still ringing.
How do I find out the schedule for Truck Shows. I always seem to find out about them after they are over.
I am also restoring a 1974 Diamond Reo, Raider, axle forward and would like to connect with someone that could steer me in the direction of some body and interior parts.
Thanks!
Stop by the websites of the American Truck Historical Society the Antique Truck Club of America. They both have calendars of shows from across the country. Still a few left for the year! http://www.aths.org/ and http://www.antiquetruckclubofamerica.org/. Check out the forums at the ATHS website to connect with great folks who might have what you need. I would love to see pics of the Raider some day.
Nice truck pics and sounds! I enjoy watching these videos.
Thanks so much for posting the pictures of my 84 Autocar. Old trucks are a family hobby and my wife and 3 girls are involved. This 84 was owned by a good friend and I was able to buy it after he passed away last year. We have had it for about 6 weeks and did a paint and sandblast on the frame and some cleaning and polishing. It runs beautiful. My middle daughter, thought it looked like a candy cane, being red and white and that name did remind me of the “joy ride” movie. I love hearing Rusty Nail call that out! I look forward to taking it to as many shows as possible. I will use it to pull our landoll with other old trucks. Thanks again, Jimmy
Thank you Jim for bringing it to the show. One of the nicest trucks on the show field for sure.
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D is for Diesel, that truck would be just a C model.
Ah, make sense.
If you go down to Tractor Supply you will see a fresh pile of dirt this thing left behind on the edge of the parking lot along the tracks…
So close…yet so far away.
The flying T has been around since about 1970. Sad to see it go. No more logos in the state. All the agencies. I’m waiting to see the trooper cars change. I have seen the Thruway pickups are changing to white, not T-Way yellow.
Change for the sake of change I suppose. I’ve heard the white pickups are supervisor rigs. Cheaper to keep the white than order them in yellow. Safety first but only if it doesn’t cost too much.
Out of the million miles or so I drove 18 wheelers across the lower 48 many years ago, I must have around 400,000 miles in a Freightliner with a 8V71. They were commonly called 318s back then also. That was the horsepower rating with a specific injector size, mine had 290s. The transmission was a two stick 4×4, a Spicer, I think. It was the best designed of the two stick transmissions I had experience with.
All the Detroit two cycle diesels had what is called a ‘roots blower,’ a mechanically driven supercharger with two spiral, intermeshing, rotating lobed shafts that compress air. They were a basic part of the design and I doubt the motors would run without them.
Mack engines commonly had turbochargers back then. Later on turbos were paired with aftercoolers and the power really began climbing.
I own a 1959 GMC 860 short nose cab over hosting a 6-71 DD coupled to a 5&2. I love everything about my truck. He’s a grumbly looking ugly mutt that musters up one hell of a racket anything over idle. Yessir, my truck: all the right parts in all the right places. I love my truck oh yeah!
6-71 blowers only served to push air thru the two stroke intake ports.
Because the exhaust valves were still open when the piston covers the intake ports in the cylinder wall.
The blower was used to “scavenge” out the exhaust gases.
Not until a turbo was added did the over pressure help rise horsepower. The roots blower didn’t boost intake pressure over a naturally aspirated engine…
JohnW…… “The roots blower didn’t boost intake pressure over a naturally aspirated engine…”. Not sure where you got that idea from, however…. an NA (Naturally Aspirated) Detroit IS Roots equipped, and when the engine is “fresh” there IS about 3.4 to 4lbs of “boost” over atmospheric… depending on altitude, humidity, etc.
There is no such thing as a “naturally aspirated” 2 cycle GM Diesel (Detroit Diesel after mid 1965) without a Roots Blower, they cannot run without it… as the governor is also driven from the blower, as well as the fuel pump in many of the different models, though there were a Few which the pump was run off of the rear gear drive.
Yes i beg to disagree zs well back in the day there were after market gears that eould over speed the blower giving more boost i know i did it to an old 6_71 inline my friends and i hooked up to run a sawmill plus edger i set it at 2250 rpm then we changed the v belt pulleys on the mill to get the main saw to spin only.700 rpm the sae blades had to be hammered for that speed most old mills only ran 545rpm although i guess some of the electric mills ran 1000 rpm,anyway this thing really put out the power it was an old two valve head but i took out the little port industrial liners znd used a set of truck liners but stayed sith the little hv7 injectors this worked out great for a mill engine fuel usage was ok only aroung 35_40 gallons a day (8) hr shifth.Ps.the old fellow who sawed was the best i ever seen saw ,,the lumber stackers hated that engine and told me so!,one went as far as to tell me he hated me and that damned hot rod engine ,he said the old guy was killing him buring him in bourds ,those were the days RIP foxy
I’d like to just ask were I can get the spec from to build a late model Gatr truck single tag
Wayne, if you’re on Facebook this is group is a great one to check out for GATR history and information.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/120728709491/
hi was wondering how I can get volume 2 and 3 I have volume 1 awesome book ……thanks
I emailed the author and the news is good!
Volume II went to the publisher back in June (2015) and after a few delays I am told will be delivered from the printers next week. It will be available from the publisher: Buffalo Road Imports on their site and from the HCEA on their site. I also believe it will be available on Amazon too.
The upcoming Volume II has a lot in the back regarding the engines of choice for Northwest during the “classic years” especially Murphy.
Volume III is all set to be delivered to the publisher right now, I was just waiting to take delivery of Volume II first.
Volume III: Which I am most proud of, this last one in the series it is going to be 95% color and the longest at 216 pages. With a large section in the back on the very last Model 190-D made and its recent rebuild at Gerhart Machinery. This big dragline is now working in the Cape May area of New Jersey powered by a big Cummins KT 1150 with a Twin-Disc torque converter coupled to it.
I am hoping for a release date for Volume III this coming summer (2016).
I’m looking for upgrade information/source on “keeping Dayton hubs”, but looking for tubeless super-single rims/drives, and tubeless rims/steer. Where would you start?
http://www.accuridewheelendsolutions.com/products/demountable-rims-components/
Firestone and goodyear and dayton were makers of your dayton tube type rims or Chicago wobbler known to most techs it was slang because they wobble if they were not trued to the hub apon installation , the rim assembly requires a flange band,and they were different widths between bands and that varies from tire size,but most of the wheel were 8.5 to 10.5 in width,it would be impossible to run the dayton system, on a super single configuration because of the 14.5 deep well offset of the rim,it would have to be speacial design,it would look cool.
The orange/white dozer looks like a Haulamore push unit. With rubber track pads & no blade( push plate) & winch. Something to push or pull equipment on a factory floor. Does Dave have any info on it? Just wondering? Great shots.
I’ll see what I can find out next time I’m up there Mark. I had assumed it was setup for pushloading scrapers and that someone put on the rubber pads at some point after it was retired.
Mark,
The back story on the crawler is that the owner doesn’t know the machine’s history. He obtained it as part of a larger purchase and is actually looking to sell it if you know anyone who might be interested.
I did a quick on-line image search for “Hallamore dozer” and didn’t find a single tracked piece of equipment. Do you know if they had these types of setups in their equipment fleet?
Dave
It is a baggage car… And it was a locally saved car that they fully restored. I believe that it came from the Syracuse and Skaneateles Railroad.
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It is an old Gatesman-Newman tractor. The had a terminal in Newark N.Y. West side of town by the Wegmans and bowling alley. All GMC equipment. They also had “B” series with V-12 gas pots.
A step back. Sad to hear. Can you start over? Hope you can repost the info and pictures. Technology has it’s ups & downs.
Move forward. Tomorrow is a new day.
Only three posts were lost, that I know of, I’ll just have to recreate those from the top of my head. Better to lose three days than three years. Lesson learned!
The Guard Dog trucks definitely have to be old Dunbar trucks. Same color scheme, same make, (among other things) and the Dunbar logo has been covered by a big black rectangle with Guard Dog written on it.
These engines seem to get everywhere. The first time I saw and heard one of these was in 1983 in the technical collage I was attending in England. A yellow 6V-71 with a Roots Blower sat on top. It was on a test bench and I could hardly hear the engine over the sound of the blower.
Jim, I beg to differ!
Any 2 cycle Detroit without a turbo was Naturally Aspirated. This is why it had a ‘blower’. They were blowers not super chargers. They performed the intake/exhaust function of the engine. A super charger is mechanically driven by the engine and force feeds air into the engine. A turbo does the same thing but is exhaust driven thereby making It more efficient. Note: I was on DDC’s mailing list X years ago. I received a publication near the end of the 2 cycle run wherein it was explained the blowers were going to be deleted from those engines. Reason – the blower was only needed for starting. They had found a way to start without it. The main reason was efficiency. Once the engine was running the turbo provided more than enough air. In fact the blower was impeding the performance of the turbo.
HOWEVER! The Series 50 & 60 were doing well and there was no point in going further with the 2 cycles. So the change was never implemented.
At the risk of being redundant: People have seen Roots type blowers on dragsters for years where in fact they perform a ‘supercharging’ function. On the DD’s they only provide that amount of air necessary for intake and exhaust. They are not boosting power.
Two cycle DD’s used a “Roots type positive displacement blower”. Meaning that per crankshaft revolution the blower was capable of producing an amount of air equal to the volumetric measure of the engine. The engines were exhaust scavenged. Just above BDC the piston uncovered a series of ports cast completely around the liner. The sides of the ports were angled. When uncovered pressurized air rushed into the cylinder. The angled sides of the ports induced a swirling of the air charge. This caused the air to sweep the cylinder – exhaust scavenging! The burned gases from the previous power stroke were then sitting on top of the swirling fresh air. The exhaust valves opened. The engines ONLY had exhaust valves be they 2 or 4 valve heads. The piston continues upward pushing the burned gases riding on top of the swirling fresh air out the open valves. The cam shafts are timed to close the valves at a point when the burned gases should be gone. The exhaust valves close and the piston continues up on what is now the compression stroke. Just prior to TDC the injector opens introducing a fine mist of fuel. When the fuel meets the ‘super heated’ air it ignites driving the piston down on the power stroke.
So to clarify the two strokes are: 1) Power 2) A combination exhaust/compression.
This also means that regardless of the number of cylinders, each one ‘fired’ on every crankshaft revolution. The four cycle engine can only fire half it’s cylinders per crankshaft revolution. This is why the Detroit’s were marketed as ‘Responsive’! I constantly see the old wives tales mentioned on these forums but never the other sales pitch: “Power on every down stroke”! Also, the two arrows : Good air chasing the bad.
The 2 cycles had an 80% compensation factor. Meaning they were comparable to 4 cycle engines with similar power ratings with 80% greater displacement, cubic inch. For example: When I was in buses we ran Detroit 426 CI 6-71N’s @ 218 HP alongside Cummins: 743 CI NH220, 855 CI NH250 and 855 CI NTC290. They all did the same jobs and often times ran together.
Another pet peeve: People think the 8V-92TA was the replacement for the 8V-71N & T – WRONG! Sitting side by side they are almost identical unless you know what to look for. The 6V-92TA replaced all versions of the 8V-71. The 8V-92TA replaced the 12V-71! I believe it was in an old Fleet Owner magazine. GM/Detroit took two matching Astro 95’s with trailers. They next matched loads to the pound. They ran a series of drag races. The 92 won! It out pulled the 12.
In buses I preferred Cummins. They climbed better. Spoke with the head of the shop and he said it was gearing not the engines. When I transitioned to trucks I regeared an international rearend from 4:10 to 4:44. I changed the direct 15 speed to an overdriven 15. I also changed injectors from the C60 (8 spray holes) to the N65 Brown Tag (9 spray holes). My mechanic estimated the 318 went to perhaps 335-340 HP. She climbed!!! A bunch of guys thought I had swapped in a Cummins because Detroits could not ‘hang on a grade’.
Note: The 60 injector series was Intended for Naturally Aspirated 8V-71N engines while the 65 injector series was intended for the turbocharged 8V-71T/TA/TTA.
Let me explain something that most dont understand about detroiters with the advanced timing the newer engines used (cam advanced one tooth) the.valves opened sooner letting out exhaust pressure sooner but the vslves also closed sooner trapping in more air so a little boost was present although not as much as a torbo model but none the less a little boost ,now on the older engines you would be correct and these older types are what the experts always refer to detroit did this timing change knowing full well they ran better!!!period hope this helps
CAN anyone tell me the mount differences . length, width, height ect of the 8v71 and the 8v92, thinking about a conversion in my bus.
RT, Today is Jan. 25th, 2025…. just happened by this site again and was reading more of the comments / replies, etc. I am not sure if your comment / reply, was intended for me, or not.. as there appears to be at least a couple of us in this thread, who’s name is “Jim”. I just finished reading your “knowledge” of Detroits… which for the most part is fairly accurate.
My own personal background with GMD/DD…. began with a 4 year degree in Engine Design & Theory, Specializing in Two Cycle, and was personally “tutored” as it were, by Mr. P. Nicholas… who was one of the lead designers of the very first two cycle GM Diesels, and the first running pre-production engines was a 4-71.
Long story short, after returning back from my last tour in “Nam”… and through him, I wound up in a proto-type advisory capacity under contract with DD, in developing a new scavenging system for the two cycles.
By 1971, I had also drafted a complete redesign of the “V” blocks and heads, which was promising… but, GM Corporate had final “say” in R&D expenditures for all their divisions, and with future, potential “issue’s” in the two cycles future they emphatically said “No”…. I later acquainted myself with EMD’s design for their engines, and discovered that what I “thought” I had “clean sheeted”… turned out to be significantly similar in overall design with theirs.
It all started in 1965/1966, when I designed my own new version of the scavenging system, utilizing a single axial flow turbo/supercharger that was mechanically driven via a thermatic / over-riding clutch system at cranking speeds and up to about (depending on engine load & exhaust flow/heat) 40+% of throttle, when the over-riding clutch would disengage and allow the turbo to spool up to rated speed.
Again… long story, further and greatly shortened… actual development of it by R&D, was “nixed” by the VP of R&D over at the EMDivision, when he caught wind of it, and brought to GM Corporate and DD’s attention that EMD not only had that very nearly identical design, but had a “grandfather” patent on it, that could not be copied in ANY way, shape or form.
So, though we did create a working proto-type with the system I had originally designed (in the mid 1960’s)… we could not patent or use it in production… but it did provide very interesting results and future possibilities for further exploration, but with the future emissions regulations already looming on the horizon, we knew that it would only be a matter of not that much more time, that our venerable two cycle would meet its demise…. the railroads (primarily) are still enjoying EMD’s 645e3 and 710 production (710) power, at least for export… we’ve lost great engine.
Had things been able to progress with my design… we would have an efficient (by design, the two cycle, already was) and very powerful two cycle, today for use in multiple roles of transportation and commerce.
There is much more that I could discuss, in terms of persistent (to this day!) MYTH’s with regards to… the two cycles “don’t make any torque, etc, etc… which all based on pure ignorance of the subject matter, but… it’s early in the morning, here…. and I have much to do, today.
As I stated above, I’m not sure as to which “Jim” you were responding to… but thought I would just jump in, and give you a brief, of my own personal background, from decades now part of history. Take care, and have a great weekend.
We finished our first season with ChampTruck at some of the best tracks in the United States.
We will be at West Palm Beach in early April 2016. We would love to see you there!!
That would be cool. I hope to check out the NJ race this year. Thanks for bringing big rig racing back to the U.S.
You do realize Christmas is a month from now, right? 😀
You can never be to early when it comes to gifts.
That is one classy looking truck.
This is a killer truck…..looks like it still wants to go to work!…I’ve got a job for him!
I worked for Autocar from 68 to 1080, when they closed the plants and moved to Oden,Utal and put about 450 people out of work. I live about 2 hours from magcungie .If this truck has the original engine in it, I built it up to have it installed. Autocar was the only truck I believed that was built up side down, until the engine was drop in. That was a good job to have and work, UAW local 131 how I remember in Exton , p a. Very nice truck.
For some reason I want to say Mack still builds the truck upside for a portion of the process. Thanks for sharing.
I believe it’s the original motor, I drove this truck back in ’84
I was wondering how much the black Ford L9000 with the 210 Prentice Loader on it is?
Not sure, it might be gone now. Milton Cat in Syracuse might have more information for you.
VP Express’s real business website says Vlad started the company back in 2007. The producer of the Ice Road Truckers TV show plays the audience for fools. The TV show is nothing but lies.
I still watch the saw but usually when I am doing something else. It’s really just background noise now. Once in a while there is a cool truck but the format is pretty boring now.
I’m sure I am not speaking along when I say thanks for the thank you, however you taking your time for DDD, deserves the largest of thanks to you from all of us! I appreciate all that you do. Clarence
Sometimes it feels like work. Other times not so much. 🙂
Where is this truck located. We have two of these GMC models and always looking for more! Thanks!
I’ve been told Nevada, somewhere not too far from Area 51. If you’ve got a few pics of your trucks I’d love to see them.
I used to drive that truck. Its got a 400 cummins in it. I drove it when they rebuilt arsenal st/Rt3 in watertown. Worked 12 hours every night and loaded heavy. The ole truck never skipped a beat. Then in the morning the guy that drove during the day would take it and work all day!!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Andy Henderson’s — MY FAVE!!!!
Hard to beat!
Great job on the Autocars! Must have been tough to pick the top ones.
William M. Larned and Sons in Rotterdam still have a couple in service. I passed one on Rt. 9 in Half-moon last week but was unable to swing around in time to catch up with it.
You may already have a photo of one of theirs on file.
I will make a mental note for future visits. Thanks!
is it still for sale if so how much?
I’m not sure if it ever was for sale.
Wonder where this beauty is ?…..would like to have it parked in my driveway.
It is interesting to note that the new W-Star has chrome tube bumper added over the front of the factory front end. I imagine the reason is that what looks like a bumper is not one. And is in fact just a cover with no steel under the paint and chrome.
Amazing! Very helpful, nice job!
Classic stuff!
Hi…..I was wondering how to contact Matt Folsom…..my father worked at Northwest Engineering as a welder for 36 years……I was recently going through his papers and came across a “Plant Seniority” list from February 1976 that has the names, department number, clock number, and date of first employment of all plant employees as of 2/12/1976. I’m not sure if that information is relevant or important to him, but I thought I would attempt to contact Matt regarding this information in case he felt it was relevant to any of the three volumes he is writing.
I’ll pass your info along to Matt. Thanks!
Suggest the engine is a diesel – fender mounter air filter and large vertical exhaust. Likely a Cummins J
hey man, that was a pretty good article but i really think you could mix in a lot more jokes. The articles seemed stale for such a light subject. Maybe you could include what those new kids are doing, you know, memes.
XOXOXO
Grandma
I don’t know how many times I’ve driven by this truck & said to myself, “I’ve got to get pics of that Autocar.”
Madison county never had a single axle with the set up,all tandems.Truck #17&43 in morrisville which were s- models.and 25&29 which were Volvos.Wampsville had 4 also,#24&74 were IH,and 22 & one other Volvos
I would agree that this is not an ex-Madison County rig. Although, not a lot of photos seem to circulate of these Special Trucks, Inc. modified Internationals, there were other municipalities that did own them. I know Erie County had some and there was a township out near Rochester that ran them as well.
What an absolute “Sweetheart” and at just 6500 bucks!
Speaking as an old hand at heavy recovery, this unit was definitely a steal.
Just because it’s as you say “old school” does not mean obsolete.
Many years left in this old gal if owned and operated by a pair of caring hands.
I sincerely hope that was the case. Just needs some TLC.
Any word on it’s disposition?
It has returned on eBay a few times since I saw it last. The last time was just today 1/17/16 when it sold for $9,395
I just came across this post. This General was bought brand new in 1985 by R.B. Humphreys. It was originally a medium red with a Detroit 8V92T engine. Schaller repainted it black and when the motor blew up he swapped it out for a Cummins. All of the cabover Kenworths that K.A. Hinman uses to haul pool water up the road were all former R.B. Humphreys trucks as well ironically.
That is a beautiful looking Autocar. There are two horns; the one above the driver is sort of blended into the haze in the background, but it’s there. It’s just outboard of the three center lights.
Ah yes, I see it now.
I believe that it is Fabco four wheel drive conversion. It looks like other utilities trucks of the time, New York Telephone & Niagara Mohawk. O for a simpler time when trucks had a distinct style and tough look.
It was a pretty rugged truck. If my memory serves me right it had a 5 speed with a 2 speed rear end. Years later they had it reconfigured with a much larger boom and auger system and hydraulic rear outriggers which could handle much larger poles.
Nice. I wonder if they bought this truck new? Or could it be one of those ex-Clayton Block trucks that found a new life and a lot more chrome?
This truck is a 1973 purchased new by BIll MIller owner CFC originally powered by a Cummings PT 270 and 6 speed trans I drove this truck for many years after Ritchie and before and after Bruce this truck has had many.power plant changes over the years last I new it was powered by a Cummings 350 and 13 speed transmission trans in the photo shown the crane that is on the truck is the third one since 1973
This truck was bought brand-new by Bill Miller owner of Connecticut foundations it was originally driven by Richie and then it was driven by Lee Morsey I drove it in early 80s now driven by David Miller which I believe owns Connecticut foundations it is a beast it it can be put into ten wheel Drive I seen the mud overtop of these tires and just keep right on going it has to have millions of miles on it by now fantastic truck they don’t make them like this no more
Thank you for the info Bruce.
Hot damn! Now THAT’S a truck! 😀
The DSNY-like Heil 5000 has a pretty big hoist up top…they must have added it on after the fact. The spread of the ex-DSNY trucks is amazing. They are very commonly used by private carters on long island. For a while DSNY was replacing spent packers on chassis that were in good condition with Leach and chagnon bodies for their second coming but this seems to have stopped. The McNeilus XC has also been accepted as a pre-qualified rear load body for DSNY and sooner or later those should be popping up in used markets. Many private haulers prefer the McNeilus trucks. The Heil 5000 is a very good, low maintenance packer design but can struggle with bulk.
The ’96 Marmon on this page is for sale on truckpaper.com. Just thought i’d let you know.
Cool. I’ll check it out.
I have a 1972 titan with 12v71, and would like to talk to mr lewis. my no. is 931-261-7656 thanks.
I think that DM is an old NYC MTA Bridge & Tunnel Authority unit. The yellow is darker than MTA, but they have red wheels. Similar setups to DSNY, NYCDOT & FDNY. All who use Weldbuilt wreckers. I checked, but haven’t seen a DM with MTA, but a lot of others with this color scheme.
Ah yes, the red wheels! I would agree. I think the truck has been repainted and had some diamond plate added.
My dad had a 1979 Marmon cabover. In the 70’s and 80’s Marmon produced 500 trucks a year , both cabovers and conventionals combined. What percentage were cabovers? Not sure. Rare, indeed.
Wow, only 500? A rare one indeed.
Marmon’s slogan was “We Don’t Make The Most, Just The Best”.
Between the Cat dozer, Case Construction King, Bay City, Huber Roller and the White with trailer you could have a nice set of classic construction equipment at one sale.
I honestly didn’t even notice the Cat or the Huber, what a treasure trove this place is!
Wish I had known you were there Ryan. I was at the show Tuesday and also got to witness that wild launch on Monday you see in the video!
Nice looking truck too.
We could have had a DDD fandom meet up! WOC was unreal!
The Åkerman logga is from a swedish letter Å. The have put the dot in the middle and six A around it.
Ah, I see it now.
a shame really
Beautiful
Especially nice with the blown Cummins
I like your truck. I need one like this so I can use it to haul stuff. sell it to me at a cheap price.
I would like to buy this truck at a cheap price.
What is the lack of color in most of the new examples of state of the art transit mixers? Is this the new standard? I hope not. Mixers are supposed to be full of color. Spinning striped or patterned drums are the the way that I grew up on. Many companies with large vocational fleets are standardising White as their main color. Just because of resale.
I hear you. Same thing happened in the OTR market long ago. Everything is white or at the very best a solid color like red or black. Times don’t always change for the best!
Thank you for sharing dude…Garbage trucks need love too!
do you sell parts for the AM General truck
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my dad has a tug boat with 2 1983 6L-7 1s and the port one blow up but still run hard to start will run (try that with a cummins) it blow up because the port water pump broke (i think it was made by cummins) i am only 14 and detroits may be befor my time but they are still the best
Designed to last and take a beating. A combination not often found today.
Timex will keep on ticking.
Do you know who makes the amber lights on the back of the Oswego Cty Spreader?
Jeff, I’m sorry but I do not know.
The Fire truck manufacturers really preferred the 53 series Detroit engines…….. it made for an interchangeable gas/diesel application as the 53 series is a near interchange for a gasoline engine and didn’t require gear ratio modifications.
Rupert Penjab…… Not sure where you got that from, however… more than 70% of all 2 cycle Detroit powered fire trucks were Series 71 powered…. there were a few of the smaller trucks that were 6V53 powered, but not many compared to all the 71 series over the decades.
As far as the “inter-change” part of your comment… yes, the 53 series could be had with either an SAE no.3 or no.2 bell housing which would make it pretty easy to convert from gas power to diesel… especially with a no.3 bell housing if in a smaller truck.
THIS!!! In over 30tears never encountered 53 series in a class 8 fire apparatus; 6-71 in Pumps and 8V71 or 6V92 in Ladders
Paul,
That’s a fact… but you left out the 12V71 that was used in a number of “hook & ladder” trucks, as well. There were a number of 6V53 engines used in numerous single axle fire trucks built in the late 1950’s (after 1957), and throughout the 70’s… in some parts of the country they were quite numerous, especially in rural depts.
Once in Beverly Hills, Ca I had an engine company pass me and he had a 12V71T. But it is called Beverly ‘HILLS’ for a reason. Some are short and steep.
Rupert Penjab:
I used to go to Valley Detroit Diesel a lot. Anytime I saw something interesting I had to check it out. I saw any number of engine companies. What most people call a pumper. They were all 8V-92TA’s rated from 445-500HP. This was in the mid to late 90’s. I also got to see a number of EMD’s. That was fun!
As for the 53 Series – grossly under powered. I have only seen US Forest Service fire trucks with the appropriate medium duty engine like the 3208. Remember prior to dieselization the 590 Hallscott was very popular in fire apparatus. The 53 Series would have been a step backwards. Further, power reduces the need for skill. Firefighters are not professional truck drivers. Yet they have to go anywhere. Prior to the proliferation of auto trans in their equipment I have never heard more than a 5 speed in their trucks. It requires a level of expertise to charge a really steep hill and nail the appropriate downshifts without stalling. However if you take a 2 axle truck weighing maybe 35K LBS and power it with a 500 HP engine capable of moving 150K LBS, there are no hills! Stick it in 2nd or 3rd and climb. No greater expertise required.
The 53’s were true heavy duty engines in the medium duty class. I could see them used by the Forest Service or ‘tiny town USA’. Small towns with small budgets.
Eric, I have scrapped the track at the fairgrounds for about 20 years and that was without a doubt my favorite memory at the track. I had only purchased that tanker about a week before that. And in the pits that day, I met the 80 year old gentleman named Fitzy, the mechinic, on that truck 30 years earlier. He than road down the track with me. He also gave me the original owners manual to the truck! Keep on Trucking! It just doesn’t get any better! Clarence
If I hadn’t seen it with my eyes I wouldn’t have believed it!
Every small general contractor in my area (north shore of Boston) rans Ford or Chevy gasser dumps thru the early 1980’s. Pavers, celler-hole excavators – “ubiquitous” doesn’t come close. If you couldn’t afford a diesel 10-wheeler (or didn’t really need one), Some companies kept at least 1 rebuilt engine and transmission in reserve, which was way cheaper than keeping a DD, Mack or Cummins on standby!
I was a Scout owner, here in Rustachusetts, until in mid-90’s (before that, a Willys Jeep pickup guy, but I digress). My first was a 1980 Scout Traveller Nissan 633T, purchased while i lived in SoCal in the 80’s. With just a 4-speed, 55 mph felt good, 60mph was the limit, anything more was wishful thinking. But it pushed loaded dumpsters around (creating sidestreet parking at BPD HQ, pulled cars from snowy
ditches and scared the living crap out of Boston commuters. Mechanic’s comment, after clutch job: “that’s not a truck, that things a piece of farm machinery!’ Indeed.
Second was a kinda crusty 76 Scout II with a non-turbo 633T, and a non-factory 727 LoadFlite auto. It’s crustiness stemmed mainly for it’s parking area: Martha’s Vineyard airport. It was the personal ride/plow of a big metro Boston general contractor, both off and on high season.
Sadly, the Rust Fairy claimed both, and were low-bedded away as parts rigs.
Most all farm rigs came as gassers, short of Class 8-9, back when. The farmer, ever thrifty, knew he’d never run the miles to amortize compression ignition. And since most of them were used 6 months a year, you changed the air filter and the oil once or twice a year, and you were golden. And nearly every farmer knew how to wrench on a gasser – small job or overhaul. Thank goodness we still find them around!
It’s funny that you mention farmers and gas rigs. Once such operation near me is retiring this year and they have barns full of 60 an 70’s gas job Internationals in mint condition. Full details coming soon1
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It is a shame that corp that decided to return to the contiguous 48, is given a shot to the industrial mouth, in a time when we all want manufacturing jobs returned. International Harvester doesn’t make trucks any more. We in the fan club, must not understand the most important product of modern truck industry, not vehicles, but pure profit. Maybe CAT should have teamed up with Oshkosh, instead of Navistar. They are not competitors.
Charles Saliba
I ended up buying the Colonial Sand and Gravel later named Transit Mix and Certifies Concrete. The property is a huge 45,000 sq ft building in Long Island City, NY. This is where Colonial serviced their track, fueled, washed, painted and parked for the night. Later the other companies did the same but got more involved where they had awhile machine shop where they would re-build engines install and or replace the mixing barrels on the transit trucks. They had diesel and gas station pumps right in the building. I still own the building. Picked it up when the Feds sold the building at auction when Ed Halloren was indicted.
Very interesting. You bought the companies or the property? Was anything interesting left behind?
As a kid I spent a lot of time in that shop!!!..Ran the overhead crane in the high shop too . My fathers small office was to the left of right of the overhead door on 23 rd. street. Could tell you about the stock room in the back of the building …locker room above the offices..could still picture it all!!!.. I have pictures going back to the 50’s..
Would love to see those photos some day!
Well this just sucks. The CAT trucks seemed to be catching on around the Fort Wayne area. Spotted two of them on the way to dinner Friday evening. I’ll have to make an effort to shoot some pics of the ones that are running around here.
Jason in Indiana
The announcement was rather sudden considering a new model had just been released and plans were underway to move to Texas. Someone what at Cat did not like this program and cut it as soon as they had the power.
Good riddance. Trucks were junk – anyone who owns one now owns a worhtless piece of crap that nobody will buy.
Carl Dorrance the plate says yes cat
270 hp, would run with 335 cummalong , did a good job, could stand on it all day, loved to drive the 1693TA, nothing would touch it in the early 1970 ‘s
FISHER COMPANIES IS PROUD TO HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THIS SERVICE FOR 47 YEARS TO ALL RAILROAD COMPANIES AND INDUSTRIES .
I KNOW PERSONALLY .
JACK FISHER FOUNDER & CEO
Jack, you created a great local company. I’ve enjoyed seeing your crews at work outside of the Hotel Syracuse these past few months.
Eric, if that engine was running, that chain would not hold it back! Pretty sure that’s a V12. CR
The truck that was carrying this engine had NJ plates and was probably the main reason why the driver headed south. Mixing business with pleasure?
THEY ARE EARLY 1970S INTERNATIONAL , TD-25 B, SIDEBOOM DOZERS , BOUGHT IN THE EARLY 8OS IN CANADA .
I KNOW I BOUGHT THEM .J
All I can say is “cool”. As a railroad engineer for UP and a farmer/ rancher that owns his own TD15b, I am impressed.
I know it’s wrong but every time I pass by the rail yard I hope to see them in action. This would mean a derailment happened buuuuutttt, they are really cool.
Just saw this ,I believe it was a old Phillips trucking rig? P not a B. I have 4 Astros in my family.1973 day cab , 75 sleeper single axel 77 day cab all with 671 Detroit’s and a 84 sleeper twin screw with 350 cummins still used on the farm.
Hmm, yes, I see it now.
How much are these dump trucks please?
The other purpose of shuttle-buggy, transfer pavers or remix papers is to remix the asphalt and correct thermal segregation that has happened to the mix in transport.
They also provide a buffer between the truck and the paver. This serves two purposes. First it allows the paver to move forward at a constant speed (it doesn’t have to wait for a truck) which helps keep the screed from settling, which can lead to bumps. Second since the truck doesn’t have to get close to the paver it doesn’t bump into it, leaving a bump behind it in the asphalt mat.
The main drawback is that they are expensive to own and operate as there are a lot of moving parts. It adds another thirsty engine to the paving spread and another operator to the crew.
Is this the same Newport Ny? http://www.auctionsinternational.com/auction/7216/item/2010-oshkosh-mpt-2026-truck-w-plow-wing-and-sander-43650
Do they still have a Walter’s?
It is the same Newport NY. I will have to stop at the garage and check.
not sure but i think that cat motor might be a 3412 from looking at the exhaust manifold
i have an autocar model DC9964 on 24 inch rubber, large dump body. would like to know the year and where can i get replacement driver window. ae003hbo- 70864, eng. 250 cummings. chuck 609-220-3369
I was 12 years old and at that race.My dad and his friends owned the 92,and 93 trucks..That afternoon the 93 was being driven by Randy Baker,He came from the back driving that thing like it was a sprint car.Hooked the guard rail and rolled it..
That’s Manitowoc not Manitowac!
Great Video of one of the best Excavators and Lift Cranes Ever Built!
Ah, thank you. Correction made.
what idiot would scrap this.
How about Bucyrus-Erie: Best Ever
Northwest: Never Wimpy
Manitowoc: Mighty
I have a 1973 Autocar DC 10364B that I completely restored. I would like to send you pictures and maybe you can post them. Where can I email them?
P @ H. Powerful & Hungry.
Our Peterbilt 330 has a 315hp cummins engine equipped with a 10 spd transmission, it’s a 2008 & has over 400k miles. It was purchased new & equipped with the roll back body to haul our averdi containers. It has spent its entire life delivering storage containers & office containers to commercial & residential customer all through New York State. We are proud to serve the contractors storage & office space needs at the Hotel Syracuse & many other CNY construction jobs.
It was my pleasure to go and photograph these beauties on a cold Sunny spring day in CNY. I have been doubed by Ryan as an official plow chaser and I thank you !!
I see you taught Ryan all he knows about photography. 😉
The NS and most other RR’s including my Employer Union Pacific us these Units for Yard Switching, Local Freight Switching and Even Road Freight Work.
They are Cycled through the shops every 3 years for Brake System Work and other Major Work and also For Regular Upgrades and Overhauls as Needed.
At 2000 HP with Twin Roots Blowers they are Really Nothing More than an Oversize Detroit Diesel without the Detroit Sound.
Imagine if they had that Detroit sound. Wow! Talking about annoying the neighbors!
Both Dayton and Budd wheels are ancient history. The industry has gone to hub mounted pilot wheels. A true Budd wheel required 10 studs and 10 in order to mount a duals – real pain n rear when doing without an air wrench
Exactly. Unimounts are not Budd.
While the “Budd” type wheel was made by many other companies, the original design was made by The ” Budd Wheel Company” The Budd Company only manufactured steel wheels, any aluminum version was Alcoa or another manufacture. Budd Wheel also did make the center hole pilot mount which became the most popular.
Budd Company also began making the Tubeless Demountable that adapted a tubeless rim to the Dayton spider mount hub where a special ring replaced the original disc allowing the tubeless tire and replacing the deadly split rim
I definitely agree that the more you learn the better. However, I, like you, am not very crane savvy. I can appreciate the size of the crane though. I must admit that it is a cool piece of equipment. Thanks for your post. It is nice to know I am not the only one who still finds construction equipment cool without understanding much about them.
por favor desearia saber donde se encuentra el n. de chasis y bastidor mi nombre es Juan Luis y soy conductor de una huber f1500 pero no encuentro los numeros muchas gracias un saludo
Hi Eric – Thanks for allowing me to share this unusual truck with your readers. My hometown of Springfield had two pieces of Pirsch apparatus, a 1948 Ladder truck, and a1952 open cab pumper. In 1956 the Chief told the selectmen that we needed a four wheel drive fire engine due to the layout of the town. Basically to get anywhere you have to go up steep hills. They contacted Pirsch who had Oshkosh build the chassis and ship it in primer to Kenosha. The truck is actually a snow plow chassis. The truck has an interesting drive train due to the position of the transfer case and the pump. Mike
What year is it?
I would guess middle 1970’s and certainly an ex-military truck, probably the Air Force dressed in that blue. Looks like a Loadstar F-1850 with diesel power. Depending on the year it could have the International DV-550B or the first generation DT-466 under the hood.
Eric,
Did you take the Freightliner/Gradall or the fire trucks? International’s live on as long as they get TLC, truck loving care. I guess that Madison County has stopped using dark green as the Dept colors. Omaha orange or chrome yellow seem to be the standard of today. Some other Dept still use that same green. I have a shot of a new Freightliner in dark green.
Mark
I did with the rest of the highway trucks but not any of the fire rigs. Stay tuned.
observe high temperature on a 8v 71 detroit diesel radiator and fan cooling, ive flush radiator but temperature is still high
Hi Ryan. I probably have a head on shot you can use if you’d like.
Thanks Eric for these great photos from Plymouth CA!!! I came back with about 300 from many angles. Sorting through em.
I like your artistic shot the PayStar in the mirror, whatever made you think of doing that?
I got a little more detail from the owner at the show. He repowered with a Cummins ISX and DPF particulate filter so he can comply with CA emission regs.
Now that is a combination I never would have guessed!
Your welcome.
Ha ha
Hey Everyone!
I have a question about GM detroit diesel 3-71 marine engine. I am unsure of a couple of things about how to service this engine. I am looking for some helpful knowledge.
We have change the oil for the marine gear but don’t know where to fill up the oil fo the engine oil….? We have located an oil strainer but arent 100% sure if this is the fill in port? Any help would be much appriciated. There aren’t alot of helpful forums out there so im hoping someone in here can help me out!
Cheers!
I have two 6-71TIB’s in my boat and absolutely love them, the more I learn about them the more I love them. Really appreciate all the comments, love to the history. Thanks for your stories and service.
Man these things are old. Fabco hasn’t built them in quite a while. I would guess at least 20 years, probably more. They could be 30-40 years old. Well maintained. Must have a good parts supply. I first saw them about 1970 in CA when I was in the Navy. I saw them in the 80s and early 90’s in the San Luis Valley near Alamosa Colorado. Probably some sitting around there somewhere. Fabco also offered a similar drive train for regular Ford trucks too. Engines were Ford gas V-8s and Detroits, 3-71s and 4-71s I think.
You are correct. From what Ryan told me the are from they late 60’s early 70’s.
I cannot believe the fools celebrating this technology. This will only lead to less and less jobs in the trucking industry, and more and more people on the unemployment line. And the ratio of people needed to run these systems is far less than the amount of people needed to drive each truck. This is a slippery slope that will only end in loss.
Don’t worry, right now the Federal Government and DOT have been strangely hands off. Once they get involved these projects will grind to a halt.
With California’s ever tightening grip on diesel emissions, I surprised they are still able to run them.
Good point. I wonder if there is a farm exemption?
It is probably the tightening grip on diesel emissions is that gives the reason why these units continue to be an attractive enterprise. Essentially these are “grandfathered” in under what ever emissions (or lack of emissions) level was in place when these were manufactured. The parts are simple to replace and they probably can be repowered by any type of engine that will fit. Couple that with longevity due to lack of road salt/extreme road conditions and the units probably will be still running in another 20 years…
Pciture #6 has a unit that maybe for local road use because it appears to have “super single tires” on all six positions versus the thin standard tires…
this got featured on autocar’s linkedin page. Congrats!
Thanks! Good people at Autocar Trucks.
I have owned and made my living with this truck for 30 years. it hauls lumber from northern to central California, averaging 65000 miles annually. it currently has an N14 Cummins, Particulate Filter, a 1462 6 speed main and 1241 4 speed aux transmission, R170 rear axle with 4.33 gears and 11 24.5 tires. It is legal through 2020, at which time I will install an ISX Cummins with DEF burner. With all of the attrition and government mismangement of the trucking industry, it makes a nice statement back at the Authority that means to put the Independant out of business. Still alive and well.
Never in my wildest dreams would I have guess that was the powertrain in that old truck. Great work! Keep on trucking!
RE: Gerhart Machinery / Autocar / Bituminous Service Company
WOW ! Talk about a flash back !!
When I scrolled down to the Gerhart Machinery photos, I didn’t even need to enlarge the thumbnail photo of the old, green A-car to recognize THAT truck. The BOLD letters – ROAD OIL – across the front bumper was all I needed to see to harken back to my days as a young boy in the early 60s in West Chester, PA.
I loved to watch road construction of any kind.
If Bituminous Service Company was paving a road anywhere within bicycling distance of my home in West Chester, I was there! Morning until the end of the work day.
Most of Bituminous Service Co’s equipment was dark blue with “Cat” yellow lettering on the doors. But THIS Autocar was unique in their fleet – dark green with a silver cab roof.
This truck was usually on the jobsite less than any truck in the BITCo fleet applying a layer of oil on top of the stone base before paving, but boy what memories that photo brought back. Thank you. Keep up the GREAT work.
Stop back tomorrow (Saturday) for some photos you’ll really enjoy.
Old Mack is 30 B series, probably BM or BX.
Thanks Eric. Wow! Check out that old Cayuga County truck. Looks like No. 86 on the door. I have an advertisement with one of their Etnyre blacktop distributors mounted on one of these gas powered Autocars (C90?). The truck likely dates to 1955 or ’56 I would guess.
I thought that’s what the door read. Couldn’t be sure if that was Upstate, NY Cayuga or some other location. Small world!
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This is quite an impressive piece of equipment. It was never used for oil field work. On it’s second trip up north, the locomotive portion caught fire and was left to sit. It was eventually towed to it’s current position at a later date. Check out Cliff Bishop’s book, “Eighteen Wheels North to Alaska” for more about that.
Some more on the LeTourneau. It was a model VC-22 Sno-Freighter, built in January 1955 (built in 1 month). Powered by two Cummins NVH-12B1 V-12 400hp diesel engines. Each of the five cars was 16ft wide, 40ft long, and had a 30 ton capacity each. Total full length was 274ft, and all 24 wheels had their own electric motor.
The MACK Definitely Looks Better!!!!!
Best thing Mack did was get rid of the Brockway Line!!!!!
Mack really didn’t have a choice as Brockway was showing them up in every segment including the next generation of trucks, one of which would become the Superliner.
Can’t have the child upstage the parent!
Nice!
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Sorry to let you down, only got the 13 something blade! Pictures to follow when it is installed.
There has been a Terex dozer sitting on Whitelaw Rd, Between Gee Rd and Waterbury Rd, in “Canastota.” To the best of my recolection its been in the same spot for at least 30 years. It sits sadly in a yard full of junk. And When I say junk I really mean garbage…
Neither Google or Bing maps have very good recon photos…
For those out of town and interested… 8710 Whitelaw Rd, Canastota, NY 13032
43.137928, -75.830391
Hey are you aware this is up for sale again? I’m planning on buying it… As I did last time but the good folks at TOC cancelled the sale. Auction ends Friday night. Also I commented last night that I bought that D6 9u at empire farm days. Text me 3153740920 if you have any more info on the Walter thanks
Yes, I believe this is the third time around? I guess they think the truck is worth more than the final bids…despite it being left outside to rot for decades. Good luck this time around.
You’re right, that is a lot of truck for the money. The plow frames are Frink. Based on the serial number, I would put the year of build at 1955 or ’56.
I worked for a company that had three 527s. One was a single axle tractor. They put an air lift 5th wheel on it and made it into a yard horse. I worked second shift and spent many hot summer nights in it, sitting on top of a Cummins Super 250.
LATE 70’S EARLY 80’S 359,BEAUTY!
you can tell by the rivets on the front end that its a aluminum hood, the fiberglass ones have rivets on the chrome surround in the front whereas the aluminum ones have rivets just before it
It is a shame I never remembered riding an rts bus since I was a young lad know all I can do is watch YouTube videos about them thank you so Much for making this website I was unaware that their are more bus fans out there such as my self
Yes, I vaguely remember them being some form of Detroit powered as well, way back in the early 90’s. The final group seemed much to quite for that style motor. I wonder if they were re-powered?
I think it is Mount Joy Enterprises Eric. Seems as if there might have been a “James Julian” tag on them also. I haven’t located any info on Mount Joy Enterprises. James Julian I think is a Delaware contractor.
Dave
There’s a walk-through door built into the back of the cab. If you look through the windshield, you can see it. That’s not the back window.
That make sense. Thanks.
It is Sad to see them Like that but the Idea that Parts from these Machines could be used to Prolong the Lives of other Northwest Rigs is a Comforting Thought.
Truly A Classic Rugged Rig. If you wan’t the Job Done get a Northwest to do it!!!!!
It would be nice to see some Photo’s of Older American, Bucyrus-Erie, Link-Belt, Lima, Koehring, Marion and Manitowoc Machines too!
If I come across them, I’ll post them!
Eric ,
The carcass is an NW Model 6 with cushion air controls. The shell of the once proud machine features the classic NW breadbox house. You can tell it’s a Model 6 by the absence of hook rollers. Hook rollers were introduce to help insure alignment of the upper rotating base (house) and the lower rotating base thus reducing fatigue on the slew ring . The Model 6 enjoyed the longest production life of all NW models. First introduced in 1930 and upgraded through the years when finally pulled from production in 1980. For some reason Model 6 was the only model type not to receive the hook roller upgrades in the late 1930’s early 1940’s. It’s whole production life the roatating base stayed the same. This variant would been produced between 1963 and 1973 up in GB.Air controls being introduced on the Model 6 bread box house in 1963 and then the modern house w/ capsule cab being introduce in 1973.
Not sure what kind of attachment it had though.
Fantastic! Anybody who wants to donate their Autocar photos to the official Autocar company archive can email them to info@autocartruck.com or post them here: http://www.facebook.com/AutocarTrucks/
Hey Adam, if you have a choice photo or two you would like to share I can drum up a post for next week. Prime the well so to speak.
At the beginning of your video, I was stopped in the white colored Nissan Murano, following that massive white colored Autocar as it was turning into the fairgrounds. I was a little disappointed that there weren’t more Autocars since this year trucks starting with the letter “A” were the featured trucks. Still an awesome show. Thanks.
Haha, you had a nice view. The truck certainly doesn’t move fast but that doesn’t matter much when it looks as cool as it does.
Picture #9 I am pretty sure is a 2017 Mack CXU613 with MP8-445E and Mack M-Drive for Moore Freight Service in Knoxville, TN. When we complete this years order for 40 tractors they will have purchased 110 Mack CXU613 tractors over the last 3 years. Trucks are doing a GREAT job.
Wonderful to hear. Sadly that portion of the line was closed for a private function so I couldn’t see the res of the trucks in a more finished state.
I have a 671 in my 1955 FLEX VL 100 tour bus. Jake breaks and Alison Transmission. What a blast to drive. I love the sound. I worry if I ever need a mechanic, I will never find one who can work on this old power house. Costa Mesa Cali.
Hopefully that day never comes. The 6-71 has been around for almost ever. Lets hope a few from the next generation learn a thing or two about them.
This is old but probably the best place to take a Detroit is Delaney and Alf, Bakersfield. I have not been there in years. If anyone has 2 cycle capability it’s them. They did a ‘full power’ tune on a 92 for me. Was told it should gain 45 HP. That and then some!
Ha, that old Mack sounds awesome!!
The bore and stroke on the 71 series is 4.5″ x 5″. They stopped making the 2 stroke Detroits in 1998 (they still make the 6V-53TI, 8V-71TA and 8V-92TA for military vehicles). It is interesting to note that the 2 strokers were cancelled because of being dirty burning and couldn’t be cleaned up to smog standards.
Yet the largest and most fuel efficient engine is a 2 stroke made by various companies. The largest has a 39″ bore x 135″ stroke (yes that’s 3″ over 11ft!). They power the big container ships and by cross section, look like big versions of Detroits.
Tom Christman…… Tom, just so you know, the 8V71T & TA is no longer available “new”….. the military orders dropped them.
There are Numerous large 2 cycle diesel engines and engine builders around the world…. not just “a 2 stroke made by various companies.” The Biggest that you were referring to is the Wartzila-Sulzer RT96A & C… originally designed by Sulzer before the merger with Wartzila from Poland. There are Many 2 cycle diesel builders in the world, including Fairbanks Morse from the US who have been around since quite a while before GM Diesel or EMD… originally since 1823…. before they (FM) started producing engines, actually.
Great work!
One thing I’d like to know and haven’t yet found the answer is when Walter first starting using the reverse-slope windshield on snowfighters, and when they stopped using the older rearward-sloping cab front wall?
Mark Simiele’s Walter books IIRC suggest that the reverse slope cab was actually first used around 1958 or 1960 on airport crash trucks, but I have seen snowfighters at least as late as 1962 still using the old cab.
Unfortunately Walter did not change their model designations with the change in the cab, so A, F, etc. just continued to indicate the cab width -but do not demarcate the change in the cab design. Would Mike or anyone else know when the change was actually made on the snowfighters, and if there was even an overlap period where both may have been available (I suspect this may have been the case, based on a snowfighter I know is a 1962 still using the old cab, but also having seen several others which were claimed to be from 1960-61 or even late 1950s but have the reverse-slope windshield)?
I do think there was an overlap period. The SnowLift trucks built in 1963 used the reverse-slope windshield cab and everything past then mostly used it. However some trucks past this point still had the older cab as well as including one late 1950s Walter with a wood doored cab maybe older cabs that were never used. I’ve also seen some into the late 60s with the newer cab but the older firewall. Also around the time of the cab change Allison equipped Walters changed from having the bevel drives mounted on ball and socket joints to being mounted on mounting blocks to adjust the driveline angles.
Thanks Mike. Were the SNowlift trucks the actual first snowfighters to use the new cab? I believe it first came out on airport crash trucks around 1958-60 or somewhere thereabouts, but ca. 1963 is what I believe was the first time they started putting the new cab on the snowfighters. Just looking to confirm whether or not any snowfighters could have had the reverse-slope cab prior to 1963, or if that was in fact the first application of the new cab on a snowfighter (rather than just on fire/crash trucks/etc.)?
The Scoop and Scurry shown the second book had the reverse slope cab which according to the book was built in 1961 so there were those. Not sure about any others.
Thanks again. Seems like 1963 was the first “normal” use of the reverse-slope 84 in cab on Snowfighters.
Still an occaisional oddball or exception to that rule it seems- for example as I was looking at some pictures recently I saw Seneca County’s supposedly 1958 or 59, with the reverse-slope cab. I can only assume that this is the result of either a factory refurb, or the date is not correct…. there do not seem to be enough pre-1963 reverse-slope cabs to indicate they were actually in normal production on sowfighters, and the Walter sales sheets I have seen only talke about 72 in. and 90 in. standard cabs until after that 1963 date when they show 72 in and 84 in reverse0slope cabs.
Perhaps they were available as a special-order option, but if so there don’t seem to have been many takers.
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Does anyone know where to fill the transmission fluid? Theres a canister above the tranny on the very back of the engine.
Thank you,
Great fire truck. Front mounts don’t pump water as they are moving. They they have to be stationary to do their thing. Front mounts were mostly used in communities that don’t have a hydrant system. Water comes from streams & ponds. Also with the pump in the front, the truck can go to places that the water is. that Mid mounts need alot of room to do their thing. Farrar made alot of kool classic fire trucks in the Mass, NH Vermont area. Farrar is no more. Great find.
It’s held up well over the years.
Great old rig. Hope to see more fire trucks featured in the future.
Jason C
Indiana
Eric,
That red is very likely the original color. A quick search for Austin-Western equipment shows that most of their early equipment was painted a red/orange color.
Ballston Spa had one of the smaller 4-wheel Austin-Western graders when I was growing up. It was my favorite piece of equipment the village owned. When we had a good storm, they’d use the grader to plow the streets in my neighborhood. Ballston’s Austin-Western was yellow. Not sure if yellow was the original color. The grader was older than me.
Jason C
What do make of the red light?
Roxanne!
You don’t have to turn on the red light.
Thank you.
Great to meet you.
Nice variety of photos.
Thanks for taking the time to post them.
See you in Cortland!
I think it’s interesting that a snow plow should be worth more. It makes sense since they need to be pretty powerful to push through the snow so much. I would have taken the snow plow over the portajohn any day! Thank’s for the post.
I would so make a giant pickup or flatbed out of her!
Pedone, Sweet and Davis…Sounds like a law firm. Lol.
Specializing in heavy truck litigation.
We have a 88 5 star general dump and it runs like a baby – a little problem finding parts but boy this truck can go!
Thats a awesome truck!
I haven’t seen this mentioned, but I recall being warned, to loosen the nuts first. Break the wedge loose with a hammer, before removing the nuts completely. This can save your life. Those wedges can pop loose with great power.
You are absolutely right. First, just release the pressure from the nuts, then, you can use a hammer and hit the wedges one by one, or just take a big old pipe, and hit the whole tire, and all the wedges will release. Then remove the nuts. That wedges, can hurt, even kill a person.
Budd wheels are MUCH safer. I am a old timer trucker and I’ve known many of a driver getting killed while trying to repair a flat or installing a new tire on a Dayton rim. Thats why if you go to any trucking company worth there salt or a truck tire store you’ll see a cage where they put a tire mounted on a Dayton rim to fill with air. This protects the person from the tire exploding and shooting the rim off and hitting And killing them while leaning over and putting in air.
Those cages were designed for the old tube-type split rims to keep the improperly ring from blowing off the rim and destroying life and property. The cages are still required for all tube and tubeless tires as an OSHA requirement. Even tubeless tire can blow off the rim at 120psi if the tire doesn’t center properly or if the bead is over lubricated.
I had 2 explode on me in the late 70’s one went thru the roof, the other rim clipped my knee’s, lock ring went thru the backdoor of the shop. I was almost killed twice, saved by God’s grace! The shop I worked for didn’t use a cage until the second explosion happened.
Just reading some of the tire and wheel and hub talk on here,its been awhile since I have changed any tires out,i did fleet service work for years,and eventually getting my ITRA certified fleet tech,bandag ,oliver retread systems and A2 giant tire tech journeyman certification and eventually getting my hell on wheels award in the army,ive seen the transistion of all of our dinosaur type wheels and i was ag certified on farm and impliment,i was put in the hospital 4 times from tire and wheel explosions,happy to try and answer anybodys question.
I have Dayton wheels on my 1987 international S1954 truck. It also has disc brakes. The calipers have a wedge on the bottom which holds it all together. I had to use a chisel and a sledge hammer to remove the wedges. When I replaced the calipers they came with a small kit, everything but new wedges. My old wedges were damaged. Know I cannot find any auto parts store that sells wedges for my old truck. Do you know any place I can purchase new wedges, thanks.
You’re likely to find them at a “handle it all” tire shop. More likely if they specialize in aggro, as the most prolific users of daytons are farmers nowadays.
As a general note though, wedges come in several sizes, so youll need to look up that wedges will work best for your specific setup.
Absolutely amazing truck – nobody made them like Walters – truck looks to be in great shape. Love upstate NY plow trucks like this one!
So true. Most of the guys we talked with mourned the fact they Walters are fading away but with new plowing strategies and weather changing so much over the years that these trucks are really becoming dinosaurs.
Are they switch there fleet color’s to orange? or did they buy the mack’s used?
Fleet colors are still yellow, for some reason the Macks came in orange. The AWD unit was purchased brand new. The just received a new Workstar in yellow.
I have to respect the way the NY highway departments take care of their equipment. Around here they beat everything to death, and when sold every part is bent or smashed.
These small towns really take care of their stuff. It’s a mixture of pride and thriftiness I suppose.
A model C-101 if I’m not mistaken. Should have been originally equipped with a Gold Comet gas engine.
CID AND HORSE POWER
I need your help or that of any diesel mechanic you may happen to know.
The all-steel 1940 former Baltimore City Police Patrol Boat CHARLES D. GAITHER supports a Detroit 671 diesel engine in her spacious engine room. Can anyone date the engine by its serial number of 6718454. It has a five-pointed star following the number and we were wondering if this signifies it as being original, rebuilt or something entirely different. If it is the original engine, most likely it was manufactured between 1938 and early 1940 just prior to when the vessel was launched. Can anyone possibly give us more information about serial number 6718454 (star) Thanks.
Drew, I would be interested in hearing more about the history of this boat. If you can send in a photo or two along with any interesting details I’ll put together a post that hopefully will be seen by more eyeballs. Email eric@dailydieseldose.com
Drew Hall…. Hi Drew, you’ve probably long since gotten your answer… I just found this great blog.
What I can tell you is that for sure it would have been between 1939 & 1940, as the engines did Not go into production until 1939. I know this because I formally studied Engine design for four years back in the early/mid 1960’s and three of those years were under Pat N. who was one of the principle designers of the original Series 71, directly under “Boss” Kettering.
By the way… contrary to popular “myth”…. the Very First Series 71 built was NOT a 6-71… it was a 4-71 and I have an 8×10 of it taken just after its first start up, with Kettering, Pat and a 3rd R&D engineer whom I’ve forgotten the name of at the moment…. but I have the picture hanging righ over my desk here, which was given to me by Pat after I returned from VN in 1970.
Back to your question regarding the Serial Number…. I’m not sure where you got the number your showing but it sure doesn’t look like any Serial number I’ve ever seen for a 6-71…. it should start with (ie:) 06Axxxxxxx.
Also… I can tell you more about the engine from it’s model number, than its Serial number…. everything except the date. Can you give me the Model Number…. AND the Serial Number from the Machined pad…. located in my decription below?
OK…. a couple of questions for you, Where on the engine did you get this number? Off the “tag” on the rocker cover? The “star” you mention is Definitely NOT from the factory. There are TWO locations for the Serial AND Model numbers….. one of them is “incorruptable” (unless somebody bothered to grind it off – literally), and it is found on a machined “boss/pad” which, when FACING the Front of the engine – from the Front…. will be on your Left hand side of the block directly BELOW the top of the Block “deck” where the head and head gasket meet the Block…. and the machined “pad” with the Serial Number – followed by the Model number (below the serial number – on the pad) is just behind the very Front of the engine Block.
This machined “ID” pad was common to ALL Series 71 INLINE engines from One to Six cylinders.
The other location is the metal “tag” mounted on the rocker cover, of course.
Question…. is the rocker cover Stamped Steel with “knob” style hold-down bolts through the cover….. or, is it a Cast Cover with “DETROIT DIESEL” in Raised letters on the “angled” portion of the cover between the very top & sides of the cover?
Next question….. look on the sides of the block (either or both) towards the lower portion of the block….. does it have an “arrowed” circle with Detroit Diesel embossed & raised in the block – Or – does it have a raised or embossed “Rectangular box” with GM Diesel Power (with the GM in Large Caps at the top- Over the words Diesel Power in smaller letters and Diesel Power, one over the other) “in” the box?
The “heat exchanger” box at the top and front of the engine “could” say GM Diesel Power, Detroit Diesel or Gray Marine…. any of the three are “telling” for different reasons…. but, in trying to ID the engine…. the most important numbers and letters to me, are located at the location I pointed out to you… On the BLOCK….. NOT the rocker cover.
One more question….. do you know if has a 2 valve or a 4 valve head on it?
I cannot say for sure about the “star”…. but I’ve never seen one in relation to the Serial number…. but not to say they didn’t… but, again…. look at the numbers on the “pad” on the very Left Front of the engine block and IF you don’t see a “star” there, preceded by the serial number… then “someone” else stamped it – and probably during a rebuild (or a reman, possibly?).
Did you buy this historical old police boat? Good luck with it.
Hi Jim,
I am just finding this thread, and wondered if I can inquire your knowledge on these great engines. I have a few pictures of twin 6-71N and can email them to you. I am trying to figure out a few things prior to purchase. Please reply if you are able to take a look and exchange info…
Thanks,
Rex
rexw75 at gmail dot com
Hi Rex… My Sincere and humble apology to you, for Not responding. This “site” and this blog…. completely got away from me, and I have not returned to it, till just this morning.. Jan. 25th, 2025.
I assume that you acquired this boat, a long time ago (now)…. or, No??
I Will keep an eye on this site, to see if perhaps you do reply back… and I will respond, if you do. Take care, and have a great weekend.
Excellent! I’m a fan of new technology.
Nice collection for sure. I remember Sears Oil delivering heating oil to the Skaneateles schools back in the late 1970’s with their B-model single axles and tandem axle tank trailers. Wish I had carried a camera with me back in those days.
By the way, I wonder if that R model is a “BCR” conversion?
I don’t remember it coming up in conversation, I believe this is a very early R-Model with the flat back cab.
Nice job on the new site Matt. I look forward to more installments.
Ahhhh.. Still waiting for part 2…haha
Probably tomorrow, you have a staring roll. Careful what you wish for!
Could this vehicle be another “victim” of global warming? No longer needed because of the lack of fierce snow storms and incredibly deep drifts?
One must wonder how much this truck worked during the blizzard of 1978?
The “real” money in autonomous vehicles is in commercial transport. If a famous, big box store could transport its trailers from distribution centers to stores (and back) without human drivers it would quickly do that to save money…
Great looking Mack RM
Many of them still kicking around Upstate but also many towns surplussing them.
That Toyota Hilux tho. Nice find
Yeah, it was mint. I wish I had taking a photo or two of it.
Great article M.E., memories like yours help keep passions alive on older vehicles and machines.
Late to the party here, but I remember these trucks well. During high school I lived about a mile away from Callahan’s yard. They used to have a gravel bed off Bolivar Rd. just past the Madison County transfer station and the Town of Sullivan’s garage.
Callahan had two Fleestars- the tandem F-2010A in the picture which was V8 gas powered (probably a VS478 or 549) and a single axle 2010A, same color with a Red Diamond six in it. They also had a circa ’72-’73 Brockway N358LL tandem that was parted out to a new Intl F-2574 glider kit, probably around 1987 or so. There was a black & silver Mack R-model single axle dump in the fleet for a while as well.
That Mack RS tractor (a 1969 vintage?) arrived around 1986 from what I remember to pull both the lowboy and a tandem dump trailer. Prior to this Callahan had two excellent tandem tractors that were both Detroit 8V-71N powered- a ’71-’72 Ford WT-9000 cabover sleeper and a similar vintage GMC JH-9500 high cab non-sleeper.
One last truck memory I have of them was an old R-model International with plow equipment on it that sat out back. It was dark green so I always suspected it was an ex-Town of Manlius truck.
Thanks for sharing Eric. I always regretted not getting any pictures of this fleet in action.
Someone spent some time painting the M series. Too bad they have to leave it sitting out in the weeds.
Nice…very nice, but I’m a bit bias.
Thanks Eric!!
That wrecker pulled us to a service when the army tractor broke down bringing home the Lorraine Walter FCBS.
Thanks for posting this Eric! It was a real treat to be able to contribute to the infamous Autocar Monday.
I find this very interesting as these were the trucks I saw rolling down the interstate highways when I was at the age that a big truck was almost heaven! I can still hear the unique sound of the Cummins 220! That is a small amount of horses for nowadays but that didn’t matter to a 12 yr old kid. The sound they produced was cool enough to compete with any modern truck. I’m not only referring to exhaust sound. The deep diesel pinging they produced as they lugged through the town square would mesmerize any truck lover!
Was that a Mack show or a PACCAR show? Either way it sure was nice that they let in a couple of Chevy’s and Freightliners….too bad historical trucks boil down to two manufacturers…you’ve seen one Peterbilt you seen them all…
The Sound is from the Rail Due to the Fact that it is Welded and the Sound Travels Quite a Distance in Either Direction. You get the same sound when A Train Rolls over but the Sounds from the Combination of the Locomotive & Cars Covers it up. Once the Train has Passed you will hear it for a While too.
The Tie Remover-Inserter can be set up to do both Functions. It just speeds up the Process when you use two of them.
It was A Drill that Killed John Henry. The Machine you’re Referring to is a Power Spiker to Place and Drive in the Spikes.
Also for Really Big Jobs the Railroads will use Multiple Groups of Machines that can Replace up to 1500 Ties a Day and Cover a Mile or More of Track.
It Really is Quite a Fascinating Operation to watch these Super Gangs Work!!!!
I work for the Union Pacific and on our Main Lines here In Arkansas we use the Big Super Gangs due to the Fact the lines are so Busy.
They are incredibly useful. I worked for a rental company driving a tandem like the one you photographed, only a little bigger. It was busy all the time, not only moving our own rental equipment, but contractors and businesses would routinely call us up to move things for them. Ours had a roll-off deck as opposed to the roll-back deck as pictured. We found the flat loading angle was far better for a wider variety of equipment.
Glad you could make it Eric.
Hope the camera didn’t melt , like most of us did !
Wow, felt like I had just got out of pool most of the day!
I have a 1968 white cab over 1200 Trend truck. Looking for any info this is a complete truck Thanks
that trucks is from up on the north shore i used it to model a 1/25 resin steel nose kit. does anyone have a picture of the sataro steel nose from the early 70s
i have a 83 white road boss with a running 671t in it right now with a hole in the block, no oil in motor or coolant, connecting rod smackin around and starts up in the pa. winters !!!!!! no bs. Awesome engine!!! try that with todays crap.
This is a very late comment but I hope you see it,,back around 1978 I was working for feeder off longing in pa,we had two old trees ts24 scrapers running around picking up topsoil,one day I’m going out the road following in a 637 cat when I look in the haul road I see oil lots of it,then I see a piston and part of a con.rod it was dinner time just then and this guy pulls up to be with the dozer.man and other pan drivers.just then I see our old.grumpy mechanic turn in in his service truck he walks over holding this grease rag in his han, cloud he says is you’re rear engine misfiring?old cloud says holding think so when the mechanic hands him the still very hot piston,I’m laughing my butt off then old mechanic says I don’t think ill ask you if you ever heard a loose valve setting,,,that was some funny.shit
Nice job. The afternoon “parade” is always better than the morning one in my opinion. That NYS DOT 776 is a beauty and an amazing survivor. I hope no one ever paints it red and puts polished aluminum budds on it.
Thanks for posting these Eric. As you know, I have always been a vintage school bus fan and always felt they are too often overlooked by truck fans. They offer some interesting sheet metal designs and certainly the conventional models shared their looks with the truck lines. Finding old ones like this relatively intact is almost unheard of today. Too bad we couldn’t determine the school district this one originated at.
In your picture #9 above the third bus from the left (in the center) is an old Superior bodied Loadstar. These were all over Central NY back in the 1960’s and early ’70’s. Seemed like all the districts had them- West Genesee, Fayetteville-Manilus, etc. Skaneateles had them with the old Black Diamond six in them. In the mid-’70’s it seemed everyone was switching over to the fiberglass tilt hood Loadstar.
Were there any rear engine Superior or Carpenter buses around? Those were always my favorite.
By the way, International model nomenclature always designated a school bus chassis with a “3” as the final digit; 1603, 1803, or in the case of that R-model “R-1853”.
Great footage.!!
What was the total turnout number for the Huskie’s? For a moment it seemed the parade was going to never end.! Just goes to show that a great brand with lots of style and class will never die. But that’s nothing new to us Big Truck Nuts!!!
Big long chrome noses I say , that makes a truck !
Well over 130. Main Street was full once again. If the weather forecast had been more positive earlier in the week I bet more people would have made the journey.
It looks like a high pressure steam turbine for a power-plant. Siemens I believe makes such equipment.
That’s only my take on it though !
I have an Autocar model U-70 and I am having problems locating the Vin number on the frame. Any idea where I can look to find it?
Personally, I do not but have you checked out the ATHS forums at aths.org? A wealth of knowledge is contained within.
I wonder if this Brockway was one of the ex-NYS DOT trucks re-purposed?
I wouldn’t be surprised. I took a shot of the data plate by the door, I suppose someone with serial # records could confirm. From the pictures you can see that it has the same air cleaner that drew warm air from the underhood during winter as the NYSDOT trucks.
If it is a 776 model, that is a good clue. Not a confirmation but pretty close.
The most reliable diesel ever built. The best sounding engine is the 6-71 and 8V71
natural in a truck fully loaded going up a grade. They go a lot better with a turbo and more economical but the sound changes. I want to buy an early 1980’s R600 Mack
bogie with a slightly extended chassis and stick a 318 or 6V92T in it and a 48 inch sleeper. Rt0 9513 Alcoa wheels on the front. I’m from Brisbane Australia.
The “Canadian Spread” (distance between the center of the drives (axle)) is 60 inches.
Would you have any interest in pics of a late model (2013 or so) Volvo Globetrotter cab over in Robert Transport Colours?
Yes, I am always happy to see trucks of any age.
That would be a turbine exhaust condensing unit. Turbine exhaust steam goes in the top and cooling water goes in the side. Looks like cooling unit is U tubed. Also could be classified as a shell and tube heat exchanger. Condensate would come out the bottom and then feed the suction side of a large condensate pump. I am a Mack enthusiast that happened to work in fossil and nuclear power plants.
I agree. I’ll have to scratch my last assessment of the turbine exhaust condensing unit after looking at the thickness of the flanges and the bolting arrangement. Definitely high pressure steam
So nothing to do with popcorn? 😉
As far as I know, Henrickson trucks were built a Chicago suburb (not sure where, exactly). I am from the Chicago area and have seen many Hendrickson trucks. they used International cabs and, of course, had Hendrickson suspensions.
A friend of my fathers, Ralph, bought a 1966 Hendrickson truck around 1975. It was in good shape so he had it painted. It had a 220 Cummins withe an air starter. Ralph’s brother, Emmet, had a few of these over the years. I may have pictures somewhere but i’d really have to dig around!
I really enjoy your blog. Keep up the good work.
Mike
P.S. I live way out here in Colorado. If i see something interesting should I send it your way?
Hi Mike, yes! Please feel free to send in your finds. All material is welcome.
Mike, I think Hendrickson Truck factory was McCook IL.
A friend of mine from the racing Bettenhausen family had a couple of ’61 tractors pulling semi-dump trailers and redi-mix concrete trucks.
I’m trying to find a company that makes baseball caps with n old’61 Hank embroidery on the cap as a gift for a friend. Thanks
They were built right down the road from me. I’m in Brookfield And they were built in Lyons, Illinois
Yes, not surprising, but still sad. I have a warm spot in my heart for International (Harvester). Being a farm boy who looked forward to my dad’s visits to Vernon Farm Supply on Rt. 5 in Vernon, NY, where I climbed into trucks big and small in the 1950’s. I can’t help but wonder what happened to the company that used to command so much of the market in trucks, tractors, farm implements, and other products for the farmer and his family. Only time will tell the outcome.
Keep up the good work!
Ed V.
Best diesel for sawmills an some trucks they will run for ever
I love old detroiters i have rebuilt a dozen or so over the years ,but i saw a mack 280 maxadyne engine installed on a sawmill nice and quiet essy on fuel the owner told me he only ran it at 1450 rpm but due to its trzctor typee govenor and macks abuillity to lug made the best damned engine he ever had!i could certainly.agree about the noise level! I ran several ts 24 terex pans over the.years with a v12 up front and 6_71 in the rear you were sure glad to get off at quitting time!
Wow what a piece of history! Thank god they didn’t demolish that or crush the truck! Thanks for sharing this Eric!
I visited the Keystone Museum last fall on my way to Florida. Visible and easy on/off from I-95. Remarkable collection and well worth a visit. Food’s good also.
Great pictures Eric. Very nicely framed.
Those Wilna trucks are both 2574’s as they have the set forward axles. 2674’s have set back front axles. The one on the right without the plow equipment is an early one if that is the original hood! I would guess no later than a 1981, possibly a ’77-’79 vintage. Did you happen to notate the VIN’s? I’ll run them for the details.
I didn’t but I will keep this in mind for next time!
Excellent work! Thanks.
I originally thought as I spotted the smoke that the Smiths Restaurant Supply, the far left building in the pictures with the trucks in them, was roasting coffee. I realized the smoke was coming from the Brennan building instead. I was doing all this while buzzing over the off ramp from 690 E to 81 S. After calling this in, and then continuing my way to LaFayette, I came back to get a look at what was going on and talk to fire investigators.
They were hosing the hot spots and I over heard on the scanner that there was a fire in “crawl space” between the 1st and 2nd floors. It looked like they were using a foam to battle this part of the fire. I asked and they said it was “wet water.”
The chatter on the scanner also, they reported a hole in the 2nd floor.
I also heard over the scanner that a crew went up on the 3rd floor to check for fire. The radio traffic indicated heavy smoke and they couldn’t see anything… Another voice came over the radio and said if there was any fire at all on the 3rd floor, to evacuate since the roof was being held up by scaffolding. After they removed the windows, they gave the all clear for fire.
I know a lot about the MBT-40. If you have any questions, send them my way. The 2nd unit will be on display next week at Mine Expo in Las Vegas. The video you have posted is of the 1st until built which will be getting some hydraulic upgrades very soon.
Our family Farm In Santa Maria Ca. Used To Run 4 Units To haul 300 Acres of Produce Around 75 to 1994–We Still Have a 64 Fabco in The Junk Pile !! Parts Were Expensive !! All Bought Used We Had a 56-64-66-and a 76 !!
cliffy could you contact us at massolo trucking salinas office,interested in parts
The Model we have is a Compete 64 with No Updates at All–Unsure I Thought The 70’s Models Were what everyone wanted ??
I Love this old Fabcos, I am a retired mechanic that still enjoy working on them!!!!
I drove fabco trucks for over 20 yrs. Not to many people do any more.
I have to make it back to NY sometime for this show. Those fairgrounds were my playground when I was growing up. Lived across the street. Were there any local fire trucks at the show?
Jason C
Indiana
Yes you do! I think I have one or two shots.
Glad you got to the show. Appreciate the great coverage on your blog. May I use a few of the photos for my newsletter? Many of our older members don’t have computers and can’t enjoy your blog.
Thanks, Ed V.
Yes, please do!
There is a guy that has tons of Northwest cranes in Connecticut. He has six of them just sitting by the side of the road. They are a true test of time and history.
Where in NY are they logging where they would need a machine this big?
Who is buying these at these prices around here?
http://www.rockanddirt.com/equipment-for-sale/CATERPILLAR/545D/invnum=38207112
If the link expires, its a 2015 1862hrs priced to move at $305,000
Good question. I like to see those trees.
Skidders are fairly rare in northeast Indiana where I’m at. I’d lost track of just how big modern skidders are. That thing is a freakin BEAST.
Same here. Looking at the older machines it’s quite amazing.
Could you tell me where this crew cab international is.Maybe a number to call or address. Thank you
Approximate address is 6396 Island Rd Cicero, New York. That’s the best I can do.
A great example of a hard working truck. A 70’s real offroader. The rig on the back is a guiderail post driver. Most of the units that you see today are 2WD. They normally never leave the pavement.
Eric,
Thanks for stopping over!
Stretch
Thank you and the fine company you work for. I see that the SK Brockway is still on the lot. I guess I should make an offer?
Do you know how many of the 1965 Autocar A64B were used in the production of the movie? How many are still alive, and where are they now?
From what I recall 3 or 4. One resides in a movie car junk yard in California while another made it to a location Virginia. The rest are presumed to be gone for good.
Bring back the S series!!!!!
Putting a Cummins in an International is really just putting lipstick on a pig, or trying to polish a turd.
What would have been interesting is if Mack and Viking teamed up to build plow trucks for the contract.
my field service book says Detroit made 568 inline 24 cylinder 71’sne seen one
I won’t think that there would be an inline 24 cyl. The V16-71 was two V8-71’s bolted end to end so I would the that the 24-71 would be two V12-71’s bolted end to end the same as the V16’s. I have never seen one though I have seen 16-71’s though.
Mr Barsby,
I used to get a Detroit Diesel magazine called Power Parade. I recall very well an article about a shallow draft Japanese patrol boat recently built to run down smugglers It had three engines: Port – 12V-92TI, Starboard 12V-92TI. The main center mounted engine was a 24V-92TI. Two 12’s bolted block to block.
So, if the 92 could be configured in that manner so could the 71. Detroit built engine families with a high degree of interchangeability & combine-ability.
There would be a cylinder firing every 15 degrees… That would be SMOOTH.
way back when there was a setup with (4) 6-71 attached to a it as an inline unit sometimes called a quad unit, this was possible because the ends of the block are the same, this way the block and head can be flipped around. this one idea allows the 71 series to be assembled 8 different setups 4 of rh rotation and 4 left hand rotation
You might want to check out my youtube channel. I have a custom R model Mack and some other diesel projects you might be interested in seeing.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT8vPrW8QwjlfT5GCClEjlA
Wow! You are correct! Never thought I would see a 12V71 in Studebaker.
I looked up “turn to the experts” and found Carrier Corporation which is located in Farmington, CT. If you look at the driver side door, you will see a faded oval, which is their logo. Also, I’m 8 and I love your blog.
Well spotted! Carrier was actually founded in the Syracuse, NY area and had one of their largest production plants in nearby Dewitt, NY. This truck resides about 1 hour west of these locations so the pieces make sense.
Thanks for a fantastic little slice of history Eric.
Thank you but the true credit lies with Matt Folsom who puts the hard work into researching and writing these fine pieces.
On the V plows, that is the later Frink insignia, maybe some of the last ones made?
I have some rolloff and lugger experience (just spent 9 yes in a lugger today actually) I preferred the rolloff. I didn’t haul much scrap with it as it was mainly for equipment but what I don’t like about the lugger is the amount of times you are out of the cab. The also there seems to always be something that jams on the center bar on the lugger hoist and keeps the whole load from dumping. The rolloff I drove had a cable winch but if you had a hook loader with a power tarp you would spend a lot less time climbing in and out of a truck all day.
I saw one of these at the NEW England ATHS show it was painted red and I found it was missing one of its original axels which was probably replaced.
I think I know which one you mean. They almost look like they could be sister trucks.
I just looked his place on google maps… You son of a…
Next time you go up, and need a driver so that you can be rested for the visit…
It’s crazy, I never even ventured into the back section by the salt barns.
Hello, I am interested to buy your car, what is your last selling price.
Ermanno Machetti
ermanno_machetti@mail.com
They also had a really cool old Autocar rescue truck as well (photo not mine, got it from the internet). 🙂 https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7316/13975740226_38099c1068_b.jpg
You would have a shot of the backside of the Mack E? Tanker (pic. 17) would you?
Nope, sorry. I was in a daze.
Nice job again Matt. Glad that you nailed down the Model of the Irving Jensen dump truck. Diamond Ts were their brand of choice for many years.
Glad to see Steiger get a mention on the Dose but that is NOT NOT NOT how a Steiger should look. Here’s a video of a Panther working. Sounds nice too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5l9XH49sDo
This is a favorite of mine… Been watching it since before Youtube on a thing called a VHS tape…
Here is another good A-C short….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d83GoJRt9yU
They were not the worst- but close to the worst I ever drove- when I started out I worked for a steel outfit that had six of these- all used daycab units purchased second hand. They were loud(er) than normal, cold, rattly, and we had one that had the cab locks break- driver hit the breaks and the cap titled fwd and he almost fell through the window. They did run fairly well- but just even for that time were uncomfortable and absolutely bear bones. When they were replaced with new Transtar IIs in we drivers did a dance in the street
This is a Freightliner?
No, this is a White.
i have a pair of 1973 gmc astro 95’s single axle sleeper cabs ser# are sequential ,8v71n/60mm inj. 9-speed trans,, 411 rear, newway air ride,factory A/C
Hello I have a astro 95 not sure of year , I think a 1975? with a cummins,sinle axle and sleeper. Have you found a good contact for body parts?
Years ago I had a 125kw gen set powered by a V671 . It ran at a constant 1800 rpm. I never leaked a drop of oil and was the only diesel that I have ever seen that the oil was the same colour going in as when it was changed. That oil never got black. They ate great engines.
Barsby,
FYI: Detroit Diesel began as General Motors Diesel. GM manufactured gas engines with ‘V’ blocks -V6,V8, V12 & V16. When they decided to manufacture ‘V’ blocked diesels they reversed the designation to avoid confusion: 6V-71N, 8V-71TA, 8V-92TTA, and so on.
The Pennsylvania Turnpike’s Operation Orange Squeeze highlights the issue of accidents in work zones and the hazards faced every day by those who build and maintain our roads.
Take the Safe Driving Pledge today at:
http://www.operationorangesqueeze.com
Their advertising campaign is very powerful. I highly recommend the videos be watched by all.
Dave
My only add to Dave & Eric is that before law enforcement & tow arrive Fire/EMS are in the road. They are usually there longer than anyone other than DOT on a daily basis. It doesn’t matter what color the lights are, Move Over and Slow Down for all!!!!
Excellent point Mark. Bottom line is we all need to slow down for everyone’s safety when we see the warning signs and lights.
All it takes is a few of us to take the lead and everyone else has to slow down behind us!
I encourage everyone to watch the PTC videos and think about them when you see the lights and signs.
I hate to correct you but the 114SD doesn’t share the same hood as the 108SD.
To add my 2 cents, the Astro bumper was more of a 3 piece unit and had recess for license plate. This generation of cab ,although wider,started in 75 with introduction of the Road Commander 2. Easy to recognise by it’s tapered door. From my observation , the Road Boss 2 share the cab basics with the Road Xpeditor 2. Same width, some dofference on lower part of cab/door due to wheel well on Xpeditor 2. But by looking a firewall on RB2 you can see the same front panel of the Xpeditor2. I created a page on FB about White and Autocar truck from 1975 to 1999. Which covers the “2” generation of those WM products.
Happy Thanksgiving Eric and to the rest of the Daily Diesel Dose followers out there!
Dave
I was The second driver of that truck.It was originally powered by a PT-270 Cummings and a 6 speed transmission this year
Great looking truck. Thanks for stopping by!
Dear Sir,
Is there already information available about publishing date of Northwest engineering company Volume three?
Your story about spoke wheels failing that way is the opposite of what I’ve always heard- not sure how much that really happens, but I suppose it could.
BUt what I have heard, from MULTIPLE -first hand- accounts (from guys who had it happen to them), is that the Budds are the dangerous ones on a heavy truck because when something fails, the whole wheel is just gone…. if you’re lucky you get stopped safely and just watch your lost tire/rim roll down the road in front of you. It seems to me that at least in most cases, if a spoke wheel fails it will fail in one point , and may start to come apart if enough play develops, but will not be a “sudden complete catastrophic failure” of the entire wheel and probably will either stay together or at least let you get stopped first.
I know this is an old post, but just saw it and figured it couldn’t hurt to add what I’ve heard to it. Personally, aside from heavy-duty drive-axle types and planeteries, etc. I still just don’t think a “heavy” truck with buds is as “heavy” as the same truck on spokes- partly aesthetics, and partly because I’ve always been led ( by those who have experience with both types and only tell stories of the Budds cracking and suddenly being gone) to believe that the spokes are the superior choice in heavy applications.
Kinda like the bitch sessions that people put out on product. They ONLY complain if they have bad experience. I have seen MANY Budd wheel failures in my time as a maintenance director but I have ALSO proven to myself that the wheel is NOT to blame. It is the maintenance and maintenance abuse that causes the wheel to fail. The hub piloted Accuride system was a major engineering attempt to remove the technician from the failure equation as much as possible. The latest ‘gadgets’ today revolve around a VISUAL or mechanical methodology to reduce the failure rate from mis-torqued wheel hardware. You might see a series of brightly colored ‘flags’ stuck onto the hub piloted wheel flange nuts to give a visual clue that the nut has loosened, or there is a plastic spider lasso that ‘locks’ the mounting flange nuts into position to prevent backing off. When this important maintenance function is applied correctly and monitored, wheel failures are virtually eliminated. The one big bug ga boo is outside repairs done on the wheels. Anytime a wheel assembly has been tampered with, the vehicle MUST be reinspected and the lug nuts ret-orqued and locked back into position. It is YOUR equipment and your responsibility to see that it leaves the shop in the best of condition.
Lugger truck rocks!! I have a Kenworth T800 with a lugger deck. A three bin Titan trailer also. Easy way to make money and keep in shape.
Well guys don’t believe the hipe of the new motors. I bought a 2015 with the N9 (maxforce 10) The truck was a test truck for international and they ran it night and day until it got to 217k. They dropped a brand new crate engine into it (not rebuilt) and sent the old one back for a tear down for inspection. I bought the truck for 60k thinking it has a new engine?? Warranty from international is 2 year or 250k from the inservice date. It now has 307k and the egr cooler leaked over night into cylinder number 6. When I cranked the motor it hydrolocked and now needs a inframe for 14k plus more if there’s head damage, plus more If the injectors got coolant into them, plus more if the dpf filers got coolant into it. So long story short it can cost up to $25,000. International don’t want to help either?? All I can say is SAY AWAY!!! This truck is a 2015 with cummins help with the dpf system. Now I’m forced running my 1.5million truck over the road because the garbage can died
By the way the new motor only has 90k miles… international says the only way to stop this problem is to check the coolant everytime you start and stop the motor. All fluids were full in Phoenix and lost the motor in Bakersfield. STAY AWAY!!
David,
We have 10 MaxxForce DT engines in our fleet and 3 of them needed inframes because #6 had zero compression caused by the leaking EGR cooler contaminating the engine oil and obviously washing down the oil on the cylinder sleeve but why just #6?
This was the exact same failure on all 3 engines. I’m wondering why or how the coolant is getting to #6 cylinder? We do engine oil samples and now when they come back with coolant in the oil we change the EGR cooler right away. It’s a big expensive pain in the butt. One of the 3 engines was covered under warranty but the other 2 are on us for around $15,000.00
Hi Guys.. I can tell you how the coolant gets in.. on the rear of the engine.. there is a tube that runs from the EGR cooler to the intake manifold on the other side.. Its the passage returning the exhaust gases to the intake to be reburned.. so naturally.. if the cooler fails internally.. the coolant is going to feed from the core inside the cooler to the intake VIA this tube.. #6 cylinder is the rear most cylinder.. so it fills up with coolant…
I have an 08 max 10 that’s pissing antifreeze out the exhaust as soon as truck starts. I have owned for 2 years with no problems. Burns no oil and just hit 100000 miles. Does anyone have any idea? Thank you
Sweet ride. Hey I have a place where you can put that Euclid to use, I have to clear some acres!
I run the Dayton 5-Spoke Wheel on a trailer. Yes, its true if the wheel clamps aren’t torqued down enough the rim will spin within. Yes, its true the wheel clamps can shear off. But, that combination can take a lot of abuse before coming apart. Budd’s YES, can crack and have the whole wheel fall off instantaneously – yes that’s also happened.
Amazon should be pulling the trailer with a Nikola One!
I want to know where the blue Volvo in the movie ended up.
The blue truck was a sterling not a volvo
No dave the blue truck is not a sterling it is the same make and model of the iconic red and black over the top truck GMC volvo white thx…
Body is a holmes w45, not a 750, still a great truck, sure it never let them down.
As you can imagine, dump trucks are perfect for hauling building supplies like gravel and sand. Not to mention, when it comes to transporting items like lumber and soil or removing construction debris from a site, nothing comes in handy like a dump truck!
I know where a model 95 is
It was used to build interstate 2059 Tuscaloosa area
I’ll take a pic and post soon
Great. I look forward to it.
The blue truck shown from the rooftop?
It is in Alabama.
The village of Fayetteville had been using 2 or maybe 1, of those Holders for a few years for intermittently plowing the sidewalks… But this year they have been using some tracked thing… Maybe a Toro Dingo?
” Please feel free to share your thoughts or correct my mistakes.”
Trucks have BRAKE drums that provide the BRAKING power.
Thanks….I only wish you had shown up five years ago…
Brake drum provide no braking power if there is no wheel assembly attached to the brake drum due to rim failure.
The Athens truck show was great the Tackaberry’s did a super job putting it together the weather was great the hospitality was excellent we were honored to get a verbal invite from Charlie himself didn’t hesitate to drive are old western star cabover up from nyc
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I worked in the office of Ed Iorio, who was Fortune Pope’s right hand man. Spent many days at L.I. City Garage. Company was like one big happy family and a powerhouse in N.Y. construction. Next biggest company was Transit-Mix, but they were small compared to Colonial. The Pope Family was wired into every facet of New York City Political life. Politicians, Judges, Labor Unions, Police, you name it, everyone knew Colonial Sand and Stone.
My Dad carpooled with Ed and Artie Ableman when we lived in Queens.
Looks to be one of the triplets – the license plate is 1 number lower than the one photo featured on the “Three Coronado’s for J.B. Hunt” post.
Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end
Thanks man my uncle started his company and built his first truck in 1972 we are still going strong as a small town business serving a small community and making friends every day he doesn’t really get on the internet but makes him happy when we show him his trucks on the internet thank you again if you ever get towards North Carolina he has a shop full of b model Mack’s,a Peterbilt and any other old thing you could imagine feel free to stop in
Thanks! Will do.
I also own a 88 general dump, 315 cummins 8ll . I have owned a total of 7 generals some dumps some tractors. I really like my generals and cab parts are hard to find. I am looking for a gmc fluid drive fan clutch for a spare, or a Horton clutch fan setup, must be for a big cam cummins.
Personally I have only Seen 1 A-CAR
with a CAT! How ever I am restoring a
1973 with a repower with a 3408 B DI!
We’re there any production A-CARS
with a 3408 off the line?
My Father In Law had Autocars for His Tow Trucks –
Cool. Would love to see photos if you have them.
You might be interested in this Ebay listing – http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Allis-Chalmers-Tractor-Engine-/332073139723
A farmer in Wales is breaking a Vohl snowblower for spares – looks very similar. The chassis definitely looks like a Ford County, and the power unit is a turbocharged Allis-Chalmers diesel.
Cool. Yes, the chassis is definitely a Ford Country. Units were imported to Vohl shops in Quebec for transformation. Thanks!
could I get information on this pay star thank you r.brooks
Winter just started and you are already starving?!
Yes. I am the grasshopper that did nothing but sing songs while the ants stored up food.
I am one of the guys that has been searching for this truck for Trans Tech Auto and I have located the truck.If you would like more info contact me and I can provide pics and info.
That is a Cummins C-180
Roadway in Reno had a 2 Axle C Tractor working through 2006.
I had the “fun” opportunity to get an old A-C 45 grader (think it was a 45) back in loose operating order years or so ago…
It had about 3000 little u joints just like this one… The owner wanted me to grease them all, so I went about doing that… After we started it up and gave everything a go. This one had a cab on it, and the windshield had a bunch of little pin point cracks on the lower part of it… About level with the blade handles… I didnt think anything of it, other than kids with a BB gun.
I soon found out they were NOT from BB’s.
With the throttle up a bit, I grabbed the first handle to see what it did. It worked just fine. Then the second handle… I grabbed right on the nob and pulled back… Seemed to work ok, but then the handle started to shunt slightly back and forth, then all of a sudden it really started to grab and a second later, with my knuckles between the nob and windshield, WHAM!!! My hand was sent right into the windshield, right where those cracks were.
You learn something new everyday… I learned, on shitty PTO driven, machines with 3000 u joints that havent been greased since it was new, you pull the leavers back with your fingers so that the handle can pull out of them…
We never did get it running correctly. It was sold off to a horse farm in North Chittenango so that they could keep their horse trotter track nice.
Somewhere, an old AC engineer is laughing.
FWD used this cab as well…
I used to drive one in the 70’s. Not only can they haul more, they are sharp looking when set up right and just plain fun to drive.
Very common turbo jet tarmac de-icers in the former Soviet Union. Using surplus MIG engines.
The last truck in the airport convoy is a Fresia F2000 compact sweeper; they were marketed in the US for a time by Fortbrand Services.
Good info. Thanks.
Mack used the cab, too: http://87thscale.proboards.com/thread/1665 . Had the Aurora Model Motoring unit, probably still have it somewhere.
Yes this did. Very rare nowadays.
this is their transformer truck. the 5th wheel set up on the back is to hook to a trailer.
the link below shows it in action pulling a SmithCo Side Dump trailer.
http://www.equipmentworld.com/western-star-unveils-a-real-transformer-6900xd-mbt-40-switches-between-dump-other-bodies-in-minutes/
Does anyone know if this unit sold?
I have seen this truck on ebay at least once since this posting. I don’t think the seller ever comes close to asking price.
I must have been asleep at the switch on this one. I’ve been looking for a White like this one for years (never were many of the set forward axle ones produced) and 4wd to boot. Would be a great basis for an awesome recovery truck. Don’t suppose anyone knows what happened to it?
Can that old autocar be bought ? 🙂
Someone is working on that as I type…hopefully.
Any idea where it can be found now
Deal has been made and it will be heading back to Trans Tech in the near future.
I love the old c series cabs we still have 2 of them with rear load garbage packers on them they really hold their own!
I wouldn’t mind see a few pics if you have them!
In 1969 at the age of 19, I took a liking to and became a life time fan of a DR model C-11464DB and have owned a 1971 for over 25 yrs. It’s the conventional cab with set back front axle, big square long, high, Royalex one piece titling hood with the bold DIAMOND REO letters spelled out on each side. Anything written about DR always caught my eye. But if I didn’t spot a good chunk of information pertaining to my favorite model, I seldom made it very far through the content. After stumbling across this article on the internet, it would most likely meet the same fate. However somehow through the author’s well worded and interesting introduction describing his childhood fondness towards DR, the 3 fact filled segments became “must reads” to me and saved for future reference. Inclusion of a few more pictures or illustrations for each model or feature described would have been helpful to me personally. This is only a comment, not a complaint. My thanks to the author for taking the time to compile the information!
The state dot owns several internationals with maxforce engines and they have proven to be junks. Perfect example we have a 09 international with the maxforce engine and already we’ve had to replace the ITVP (intake throttle position sensor because it went into limp mode and it wouldn’t allow to regen or force regen using a laptop so I replaced the the throttle valve and performed a regen process and that was successful and all warning lights on dash clear and the truck ran very well for about 2 days now it’s back and running like hell and the ECM flashe a dtc for VGT performance fault and a dtc for cylinder no.1 balance max limit exceeded and it’s sputtering through the turbo charge return hose and mind you this truck has only 39000 miles 3800 hours so you tell what think?
Have you ever tried a fuel additive to make the diesel burn a bit hotter?
So where is this now? We live in Apulia Station and haven’t seen it yet. Did they take another alternate again? Would love to see this thing and take picture since nephew works for GE .
Yes, the took 91 to 80 this morning. I’ve heard there might be five more loads of this size in the future.
Eric,
So I’ll give you a little bit of background on the Lucky Mack. Harold E. LeMay owned a rather large refuse hauling company here in Western Washington. The name might be familiar to some because he also amassed the largest private car collection in the world much of which can still be seen at the family museum in Tacoma. Lucky was his nickname growing up and he owned several trucking and hauling companies locally. That color scheme was on all his trucks as they were his favorite colors and this truck served to rescue any garbage trucks that might have broke down.
The second Mack has a rare Kuhnau continuous chain roll off hoist from the 70’s on it. The Kuhnau family was one of the first to invent the roll off truck and their unique chain system is still almost exclusively used here in the Pacific Northwest. The continuous chain system is similar to a hook lift in that the driver isn’t required to exit the cab to connect to the bin and he doesn’t require gravity to move the bin on the rails which make it great for loading on trailers or docks. They also have self locking container hooks at the back of the rails which automatically secure the bin on the rails using a spring system.
-Zachary
A lot of helpful information. Does anyone know of or have schematics or other information on the transfer case for a twin engine airport version?
I have a mid 70’s unit with Allison tranni’s, but only have the rear wheels driving the unit and believe there is a problem in the transfer case.
Thanks
Possibly something might be screwed up with the worm gears or maybe something is screwed up in the front bevel drive. Here is a manual. Although it does not have anything specifically on the transfer case, it does it have information on the bevel drives and the bottom of that transfer case is a bevel drive turned 90 degrees. Hope this helps.
https://plus.google.com/photos/+LarryMarmet/albums/5489003114983166961
Thanks for sharing these pictures of the trucks you spot around town. It’s funny that you finally got to see the split window freightliner after a summer seeing it from a distance. I would love to see a used truck like that one go up for sale one day. It looks like it still has many years of use left in it.
My nephew just emailed me this link. My father is going to love this!
The McCarthy family were great customers and friends of my dad’s for years.
Pete was a great guy. Thank you for posting this.
Hey! Thanks for featuring my truck! This was taken when Cliff Hicklin owned it. He’s the one that did the restoration. I bought it from him in 2013. It’s now doing duty as a vintage race car hauler. I have lots of pictures if you’re interested.
Sure would! eric@dailydieseldose.com
Thank you Eric for the invitation. I had a great time. It was a great tour and I learned a lot. It was nice of Justin to take the time to do that. Thanks again, Clarence
Very cool A car
One of the best and my new favorite article on this site ever! Thank you Eric!
My Uncle was Nero who ran Long Island City plant. My father Gino (shop steward). Would love to learn more about these great men that built New York City.
Barbara,
I just saw your post. My Dad worked in the Astoria machine shop . I knew all about the Astoria dock ,..motoar plant . How many out there know about Blue Diamond Mortar….
Remember Blue Diamond Mortar on Vernon Blvd, I worked for Colonial from 1969 until they went out of business sad day in my life best company I ever worked for, remember the shop in Long Island City occasionally had to pick up a truck there to go too work, good memories!
My Dad, Lenny Triola worked for Colonial out of five towns NY. He used to take me with him in that Autocar mixer he drove. I was amazed at watching him grab all this sticks an knowing where to go with them. A big hole on the floor board where the sticks went down to the transmission. Or transmissions! Lol. After unloading I used to sit on his lap an he let my drive to the wad-out!! Good times is rite!
Colonial blue diamond mortar, my uncle was the shipper
Nick and Gino Trabucchi…then Pete Vescovi ..I knew Bobby well!..
hi!
You do have tools to get these drivers to wake up a little bit. Flashing your lights is one way to get a drivers attention. Often all they need is a small signal and they will realize that they are doing something stupid, like driving too slow in the fast lane
What did it sell for? Any idea when the next will go up for auction?
They all sold between 4 and 8 thousand dollars.
do you know who owns 761? i believe my father used to because he put that bumper and hood on. also what does it have for an engine?
Eric – When I was City Engineer of Buffalo, I designed the modifications for these vehicles. That was in the last 1960’s. The winters were more sever back then and the normal winter ice thickness was approx. 16”. Now it’s about 4” to 6”. Four times we asked by NY State to break ice in other parts of the State. Here are pictures & news articles.
John – I would be very interested in any pictures or articles you may have – I am the current owner of Big Stella…
I am planning on restoring her to a WWII look but retaining a lot of the mods you designed as a tip of the hat to her years in the icebreaker services
She’s has quite the journey – now lives all the way across the country in WA state – got to tour the I-90 corridor on a low boy trailer last summer
Matt
My dad used to work on and run these John. Do you remember Paul Czajka? He was in the buffalo new picture breaking ice on the buffalo river many years ago.
Any idea what a 6-71-based design could be pushed to, hp wise, with modern metals, rings, bearings, etc and not worrying about emissions?
Kevin Dutchers,
Sorry… just found your question. The 6-71 “Can be built” to over 500 hp staying Under 2,55o rpms. They built a 6-71X in the “back room” at DD back in 1969, and had it at a steady 750hp for Two Months on one of their dynos!! If I were you, I would find a 6-110 (660ci -vs- 426ci) and “build” that.
J&T Marine were famous for their 450+ hp 6-71Ti’s….. they’re still in business and still build/rebuild the 2 cycle “Jimmies”… look them up, they may even have or know where you could find a 6-110, although Williams Detroit Diesel up in Vancouver, BC Canada bought all the “rights” from DD to the 6-110, and still have engines and parts.
RT…. So sorry, but I must disagree with you, my friend… with regards to your statement regarding a “24V92Ti”.
No such assembly was Ever produced by DD. In fact, the series 71, was the Only “family” with a “V24″…. the reason being is that they would have had FOUR (4) Series 92 engines in a setup like that, and far too much redundancy and potential issue’s.
The HP produced by a hypothetical V24 in that family, would have been easily matched, and with more torque by the use of the Series 149 – V12T/Ti…. which is what DD Marine, did.
Having said all that… it’s Not to say that “someone” (company or otherwise), may have cobbled together such a setup…. but it’s Highly unlikely, considering all the internal and external complexities of building such an engine setup, especially from the Series 92 family.
Also, and just so you know… the Series 71 “V24” was NOT assembled by DD, either…. all their “Special Build” orders were handled by Stewart & Stevenson…. the largest (2 cycle) DD dealer and re-manufacturer thereof, in the world.
I once met a.guy (Richard M benign who workforce Detroit for 16 years as a research designer he had some really crazy stories about Detroit drama told me he helped build a pair of 6_71 Detroit ers used in the boat called BANKSHOT used in the movie Bermuda triangle,he said they.put two big oxy bottles on both sides of these engines with one minute timers on them after building so many rpm the bottles would inject oxygen strait into the blowers just underneath where they noted down ,they also installed the oil rings upside down so as to carry.oil up the liner f I remember right they both put out over 900 up !
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Any more pictures of the Oshkosh? Awesome truck. Love to see it with the plows on.
I’ll keep my eye on it.
I remember this day. That was me in the drivers seat. She was a good old gir. Needs tlc. But in the end she was a tank.
I see that it was for sale for a long time.
Interesting research Eric. Those units have been there a LONG time.
My older brothers worked for DW Winkleman during high school in 1970’s. Most of their work was concentrated at the old Winkleman estate and county club in Skaneateles on West Lake St. That beautiful old estate home burned (some say suspiciously) and was torn down by a developer back in the 1990’s. I think only the boat house remains.
My brothers told me stories of driving Ford tractor/mowers all the way from Skaneateles to the Winkleman facilities in Syracuse and DeWitt. Imagine running a farm tractor on 690? That wouldn’t happen today. Last time I was in Syracuse one of the old Winkleman buildings by Teal Ave still stands…barely.
The buildings are still there, you can still make out the Winkleman logo though heavily faded and nearly covered by graffiti. Luber Homes is closing up shop as we know it. The rumored auction date for the heavy equipment is late May of 2017.
The big dozer appears to be an Internatioal TD-25C which was produced from 1968 to 1978. It replaced the TD-30 which became an engineering nightmare for International. The TD -30 was rushed into production never having a proper evaluation testing period. The replacement TD-25 series machines had a thorough ” run through ” testing period. The prototype and the limit first production models had all the engineering bugs worked out resulting in this fine production C variant.
The big 25 C’s main competition was from Caterpillar’s D8H , Fiat Allis’s HD-21B and to a degree Terex’s 82-40.
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I worked many many hours behind the wheel of a walter snow fighter as extra driver for the state of Delaware at the Bear yard and Middletown yard it was unbelivable what a Walter could do going into six to ten foot drifts I sometimes drove one with a wing on the right side you had to have a very good person operating the wing I guess after a few years of mild winters the state sold them off I wish now I had bought on of them to restore oh well who knows I may find one I do have a B 61 Mack that I restored but I still have room for a Walter Snow Fighter.
I always wonder why more municipalities do not purchase low entry trucks, like a Mack LR or something. I know most of them have a dedicated driver and one or two guys tossing in trash, but the village I live in, contracts out garbage collection, they have a dedicated driver and 2 or 3 guys tossing trash, and use a low entry truck…
I don’t know how well Minoa takes care of their trucks, but just up the road in Fayetteville, the new trucks still look new 2 years later…
It’s the way of their fathers, and their father’s father.
My company dismantles and parts out old Euclid and Terex off road haul trucks. We still get to play with these engines almost everyday. Such a great sound!!
Some guys have all the luck!
Where does CSX use A 10 wheeler like the one in your video? The container yard?
I think so. There is a yard intermodal yard in Dewitt. I’m not sure where this truck was heading on this day, it was heading in the opposite direction of any rail property.
I remember Winkleman Company. They built all the 4 lane highways around the Utica area during the early 1960’s. They had a large fleet silver colored Mack R series tandem drive tractors with Trailking bottom dump trailers. All of their truck fleet had the silver color. The bottom dumps and some of the Cat equipment was purchased the Santaro Corporation. And I think all their equipment was purchased by the company that moves the earth for Monster Jam in Syracuse.
Yup, the Winkleman buildings still stand, barely, right along 690 between the Midler and Teal exits. Supposedly their is auction of the Luber equipment this May…stay tuned.
Mark, I remember riding in Winkleman’s 1967 Ford F-600 with my brother back in the mid-1970’s and it was indeed silver. Only the F-700 they pulled the horse trailer with was red.
I always wanted one of those. Not sure If I’d want to be in the cab when it flipped forward!
Looking at an early 80’s Ford daycab single screw.
i have a 1966 f series detroit in lyne six, s.a.,10 spd. body etc. straight. changed oil, filters recently, runs / shifts well, what`s ur budget. lou g. 203866784o
Call me when you can about the crackerbox Gmc ,let me if it’s for sale phone 515-302-4980
f series, whyte, klean, correct. decent rubber. ready 2 work
Has anyone seen this type of hitch before?
It almost looks like you could reach out the window and pull on handle to do….something.
What the firm build chassis in this crane?
The box manufacturer is called Breda Machine and the type of box is called an excavator box. We call the square style box questions contracters box. The Canadian spread is 60 inches. I’m a dump truck driver from Toronto Ontario and this truck is an Ontario spec triaxle
Thanks for the confirmation!
Can you run this spread in Michigan?
Can someone give me some advise abt the
Maxxforce GDT310 9.3 310 HP Engine.
Yeah, I cant wait to see the nightmare of the 690 bridge replacements.
Live on the east side of town, they said… It will be great, they said…
A 15 span, 6 lane bridge, that is 15′ off the ground, both direction of traffic bridge spans sit on the same bridge piers, that will be totally removed and be replaced with Styrofoam blocks to keep the fill light… Then the Teal St. exit rebuild 200′ from that…
Great times are ahead this summer, GREAT TIMES!
I’m drooling just thinking about it.
I found this pic. Heres the link. One of these big boys in the wild
I found this pic. Heres the link. One of these big boys in the wild http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/dpearson.htm
Great looking old school truck. Too bad the current weight laws and bridge requirements have made 58 and 65 bogie trucks obsolete. You could legally haul in Tennessee on a federal or state paving job about 13 ton in this truck. We need to go back to the day when you could legally haul the GVW rating of the truck. Love a 10 wheeler with 20,000 (or 23,000) front axle, 58,000 (or 65,000 or 80,000) rear axles, double frame and 14-16 foot dump body with full air and pintle hook on the rear
Eric, not sure where this truck is but the color on the cab may indicate it was once a Cortland County truck. They had a ton of these 359/759 short hood high cab models back in the day. I have pictures of a few of them sitting in a junk yard in East Syracuse from about 20+ years ago. This one looks a lot better than those did even then!
Just over the border in Tully.
Thanks for spreading the word. The trailer may have ended up as someones hunting camp. (or chicken coop!)
Leave it to Ryan to find these. I was in Williams in 2016 but didn’t see these. Pretty cool town though. And by the way, it snowed (along with thunder & lightning) the day we were there on the way to the Grand Canyon!
Great video. Awesome to see all restored Brockways. Someday I’ll have to see the museum . Been to the show twice.
I miss the old 2 cycle Detroits, very reliable and parts were inexpensive compared to Cat or Cummins. The ’71 series were great, the ’53 series were junk, also the ‘149 series were excellent as well. Shame they are no longer in production.
Ever look at emd locomotive engines up to 20 v 710 cubic inch per cylinder 950 rpm5000 hp used on emds sd80 sereies locomotives (no longer in prodution) but huge locos ive seen two about ten years ago as this is written is was on csx line,, i guess csx traded them to anouther rr after acquiring them with the conral take over if memory servers me correctly only around 20 were ever made ,but i understand emd still makes the v20 710 series for generator plants and ship power!
I also have a unrestored Stewart truck, a model 20, which to the best of my knowledge dates to 1925. it has a side valve 4cyl lycoming engine, a 3 speed Fuller gearbox with a multiplate clutch and the handbrake on the back of the gearbox the diff has no indentifying marks on it. It is on 25 inch disc wheels the tyres being 35×5 and foot brake only on the rear wheels. Any info would be greatley apppreciated
Hi, my father has two Stewart trucks, one fully restored and the other getting pretty close. He is looking to sell the larger unit to focus on another resto. If you send me your email address I can send a couple of photos for your Stewart collection.
Regards
Mike
Hi ~ I am one of Raymond G. Stewart’s grandchildren. I would love photos of Stewart trucks! I was given a ride in a Stewart firetruck in Warsaw, NY, back in 1988 (I think). I live in Western NY. There was one in a tractor museum in Cuylerville, NY, for a long time. It was a 1927 pick-up. I wish I could have known my Grandpa Ray. My aunt told me he was a very nice man…and from my reading here & there, he was highly talented engineer.
I have a 1929 Stewart truck that is in excellent condition and would love to know more about this truck
Hi Mike, by any chance are you from Auckland NZ? if so I think I spoke with your father a couple of years ago. Misplaced number..would like to make contact again…cheers Greg
Hi Ian CHittock here Ilive in Gore NZ I a inthe opposite end of the country but could try a d trace him I have a 1925 model 20 stewart a d there are 2 others within a 2hour drive of Gore a 1914 and a 1927
Hi, nice reading your mail.
My father bought A Stewart trick 1933 model in 1950.
During the next 3 years he built a house on it, with 2 double brgds, table with a bench for 4 people and a kitchen department. We used that trick from the year I was born in 1953 and until it was delivered for scrapping in 1967, all summer, driving around in the south part of Norway.
I miss that car so much . My dream has always been that I one day should buy me a similar car, and try to create that camping car again. Now I am unfortunately too old to do it, but I still dreaming about it. Do you know if such a car could be available somewhere?
I have many pictures of it, which I gladlynt would send to anyone with same interest.
Pleased to hear.
Hope anyone want to reply to my email above.
Think this might have been from the old Kemp Truck Museum in Hillsborough NH.
Just confirmed from Street View (July 2009) that this is from Kemp’s.
This is very popular Autocar, perhaps the most photographed U-Model of all time? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen it posted on the web.
That is a lot to take in. Brilliant!
when will we see the boss truck of America restored and honer Tyrone Malone
Is that pristine DOT 776 the one the state has had locked away in the back of a warehouse for ages? Finally out for public viewing?! I haven’t made it to the museum yet, but I may have to this year!
Yes, Peter Grimm and Family were able to obtain the truck last summer. It received a new coat of paint and some body work in just enough time for the 2016 show. It is now on display for the rest of 2017 in the museum.
IF this is the one I think it is, south of York PA now, it is actually a 4×4, and was brought back east from it’s former County or Municipal owner in Wisconsin.
To sort of answer the previous posts, yes I have seen this plow equipment setup before, but I forget offhand who made it. The “handle”, if you’re looking at what I think you area, I’m quite sure you’d find is just a remaining brace from a long- departed wing post.
Eric, the cabover rollback is a 1930’s White.
A unique truck for sure.
I have found a stainless autocar 1958 with cummins 190 single axle in rear what kind of value
As far as old trucks would go I would say priceless. 😉
If you watch closely you will see they used two different trucks. In the seen when they are parked by the pond, one shot shows the a model with tube type Budd front wheels and bias ply tires, and it has oil bath air cleaners. In the next shot it has tubeless front wheels and Vortex type air cleaners.
These trucks have been sitting here as long as I can remember… 25ish years…
Ever catch the rest of the fleet in action?
Nope.
I have driven a 5 tonner from one of the farms on Lakeport Rd. for a short trip.
Kenosha County has some big Mack’s with pit fenders. I’ll try to get you a photo.
I work for cherry house moving and use this truck all the time any questions?
Yes, everything!
Im looking at a boat with GM 4-71-TI’s with 6000 hours. What What I’ve read is they last a Long time but are they at a point of needing replacement or overhaul. Thanks for any help
Love the video, I always break my neck to stop and see stuff like this,thanks for making the video.
Thanks Eric!! I found out the crusher also has about 15,000lb of extra equipment on it too!
Hello, can anybody tell me where the 1958 International VCO 190 is and if it may be for sale. My grandfather had one like this and I have always wanted to find one. I currently have 3 V series now. 2 V190’s and 1 V225 plus 3 K models. Would like to find the VCO 190 in this video.
Thank you, Lyle Peirce
Hi, they were all sold at auction over a year ago. Sadly I don’t know where they ended up.
Hello, thank you for the reply. Maybe it will show up again sometime.
Hi, a small correction: The 1961 Autocar was indeed built for Elsmere and badged “164”. It was later sold to Hockessin (just 15 miles down the road, in Delaware) and badged “194” after they wrecked their 1960 Autocar. Appears it once again is sporting its original Elsmere colors and number.
It was found by a past chief of Hockessin who bought it. He brought it back to Hockessin and then eventually donated it back to the Elsmere Fire Company. Several versions of paint schemes of these Autocars are on a page “Autocar Fire Apparatus” found on Facebook.
Damn. Never seen so many classice trucks in my life. Great video, thanks!
That Decker Pete 379 is sharp. It is a Bakersfield, California built wrecker. They were manufactured in the 60’s – 70’s. The AMT model company made a copy on a Pete 359. Do you have any other shot of this one? Awesome.
its a tach o gragh there was a card that would read engine rpm’s driver shift points and what all drivers hated (city drivers) how long the truck set at idle
i worked the cleveland termial as a mechanic i have 1 LTL cab decal a peel and stick
Nice little piece of trucking history right there.
Hi Paul seen you responded to post and said you was a ltl mechanic, my grand father work there has truck driver in the 70s
I learned to drive dump truck in a Hendrickson triaxle. All 3 axles were live. Came with a 671 Detroit. 3shift levers with 4 gears each. Owner replaced engine with an 892 Detroit the slightest hill and you would have to go through just about all the gears but sounded awesome. Truck needed 2 football fields to make a 90 degree turn. Same green as the picture. So now I have seen 2 of them.
Just stripped for planned maintenance, a 6-71 ti marine gen-set after 15000hrs work @ 1500rpm (50hz) mostly under heavy load and still has honing marks inside the cylinders!
Regular oil changes, run warm but not hot and it’ll just keep going.
Hendrickson would seem to be more associated with fire equipment. I did spot this beauty on a ‘Round The Great Lakes tour
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Rob that guy in Conn. is a man named Willie Todesco, if you look on you tube and enter the words Diesel Willie you will find him operating some northwest’s. He loves them.
They seem to be sporting those honky Dodge tow mirrors all those ya-hoos have…
I purchased the two better power wagons at this auction and am presently working on getting the flat bed one running. I plan to bring it to the CNY annual truck show on July 9th at longbranch park.
Awesome! I’ll be there with 51 IHC Pickup.
Eric,
At the International Plowing Match 2007 held at Crosby Ontario, near Athens Ontario, George Tackaberry put on the show of shows, all kinds of International Harvester Trucks, tractors and other toys. Here are a few of his IH trucks!
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Recently picked up a REO HEAVY DUTY TRUCK emblem. Would be glad to send a pic for any info you might have. Thank you!
send away to eric@dailydieseldose.com
Brilliant ! Great photography and incredible trucks!
looking for parts for 1980 2000c Trojan wheel hub parts right front spider planetary and other parts
You looked fine when I was talking to you on Sunday… But the number of photos of this one truck, says to me you might not have been yourself that day… Ha ha ha
So many photos… So many angles…
You will be a photog yet!
And some where left on the digital cutting room floor.
What a great engine the old 2cycle Jimmie!
Parts were cheap, easy to work on and they wouldn’t die!
Fast forward to today’s emission laden garage queens, where you spend more time identifying emission issues than you do actually doing your job.
Thanks for your great site and posting the great features you do!
I have read the other books but when will vol 3 be for sale?
Restoration Pics? Thank you!
They have lifted roof top AC units over off Salina with smaller machines… Seems like a lot a machine for some plexiglass… Something else must be happening…
Yeah, I’m starting to think so too…they have been in no hurry to setup this machine.
Thanks for sharing these websites. Love the truck show pics over at heavy truck photos! Very cool.
great stories. I might be able to keep this going. I have a 6-71N in my 44′ commercial vessel, keel cooled. Model:6-71RC7 Serial:6713433 still has original stamp plate. local diesel shops tell me she’s an oldie. Runs like a top, sounds like a jet engine at the exhaust. I am having problems finding a specific manual for this ol’ girl. engine temp got to 190 and overflowed coolant out of the expansion tank. I changed out the coolant, flushed the system as best I could and replaced with fresh coolant. Ran it for approx. 15hrs and she got up to 190 again for about 10 min and back to normal operating temp at 180. Next stop is thermostat but it worries me that the system pushed back pressure through the expansion tank. Any thoughts?
Sweet baby carrots!
An early 50’s era bulk feed truck!
I need to find pictures of the rear end of that truck… (http://dailydieseldose.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/kseries/thumb_IMG_8065_1024-975×745.jpg)
It is nearly impossible to find any on the net, of this vintage.
Even if the body is from the late 50’s to 70’s pics of it well help me in my quest.
Can we find out if there are more photos of this truck?
Here is a great example why to take more than just the front of the truck!
Thanks!
I wonder if that’s an DC95 with the rounded fender. The aluminum bumper looks great – Is that a later addition? And is that an aluminum frame too? Interested to know why the attribution as a DC97.
I have an Autocar from 1948 , 150 hp. Cumins engine, needing for some restauration mainly on the cabin. I have been looking for an acceptable conditions used cabin to be able to recover my truck but have been unsuccessful.
I’ll be grateful if somebody could let me know who or where there is one.
Spoke Wheel because the spoke has five spokes .LOL
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Frink plow setup, distinctly TWY, with ballast concrete blocks, all delivered in the old national blue scheme (not DOT color). There were three Diesel SnoFighters, purchased 1970-71. Remainder, one for each maintenance section, were 1966-67-68 model EFGS, powered by Ford SuperDuty 534 V-8’s. All equipped with Allison transmissions. The ultimate rubber-tired snowplow. There was seldom need for that big rollover plow, but the wings could “bench” snow back from the shoulders, skimming above the delineator posts. Handling characteristics at the TWY’s 45 mph plowing speed were downright scary, better suited for deep drifts on township roads. Walters were used very sparingly, more often as sign trucks on maintenance projects in the off season. They required lots of attention, always seemed to come back leaking or needing repair, despite programmed maintenance. Needless to say, captive parts weren’t easy to come by, and cost big buck$. Most were replaced with less than 30,000 mi use in about 10-12 years.
Hello,
I just pulled my grandfathers 1956 snowfighter out of the woods today and while looking it over I discovered the front rear driveshaft rubber joint is coming apart. Would anyone have any idea where I might find one ?? The old girl is pretty rough but I can’t wait to push some snow with it. Thank you.
David L
Maine
If you are on FB check out the Walters group over there, a dedicated group they are to these trucks.
Check out “Arctic convoy with giant Mack trucks” on YouTube.VERY cool!
“This particular truck was one of 16 units procured from Italy at the end of the war by Dewitt, Inc for use in building projects back in the United States that included the Mt. Morris dam and the New York Thruway.”
In this modern era of super huge purpose built heavy duty construction trucks we forget how many of these war veteran half tracks were used in construction because they were cheap, plentiful, and available post-ware when commercial trucks and construction equipment were still “small”.
I even remember seeing a half track painted yellow and made into a flat bed in the early to mid 1980s still at a demolition/construction site at the NJ shore.
This truck was actually yellow at one point during it’s construction career. Would have liked to see them both in action.
I very much wanted to attend this auction to buy one of these scrapers, I grew up around them, the last of them were cut up in about 2005. I’d very much like to find out where they are and try to purchase one to use at the local National Pike Steam Gas and Horse show in Brownsville PA. Who was the auctioneer? Thanks
Alex Lyon was the auction company. I would like to make the Brownsville show some year. Best of luck!
We have 2 of the TS 24 scarpers. Could you help me out, with a few questions regarding the scrapers. For example, how do you check the frony transmission oil?
At mass maritime they still teach the cadets on in 6-71 s, which is great, my boy just went through the class and will rebuild the 4-71 that sits right behind me in the crane I run every day. The work boat has a 6 -71, and the tugs have 12-71, all naturals getting 25000 hours on the tugs mains before overhaul. They may require some skill to get them to run perfect but this old fool can always make em run, good enough.
Had to get teir 2 motors in a new machine, lots and lots of wires, no tinkering those babies home when they stop that’s that. When you out on the water……..
Where is this truck
Do you know what they are asking ???
When your pacific gas and electric $ is no issue.
Their clearing allot of mountain roads….it’s not Central New York.
Clay, East Syracuse, Fayetteville or Manlius.
I’m a retired Hostess Transport Driver. While these drom rigs ended up in California, a lot of them were originally assigned to bakeries in Portland, Tacoma, Seattle, and Spokane which Hostess closed years before the bankruptcy closing. As Hostess hadn’t bought a new tractor since the first bankruptcy in 2004, these drom rigs were sent to the surviving bakeries in the western states to replace even older tractors that were beyond repair. Old Google street view also showed a Freightliner cabover truck and full trailer parked at the Sacramento bakery, but it doesn’t appear in any of the auction catalogs so it was probably retired before the shutdown.
Thanks for the info! Appreciate you stopping by.
have parts for the machine leave number and name
2000 model parts machine call 607 334-6555
Hey my old Red and White 7400 White made me a lot of money!
Greetings,
I have been considering buying a cabin cruser about 35 to 38 feet long but most are gas powered and they really suck it. I would like to talk with anyone who has converted a boat to diesel. I like the thought of the 4 cyl. 71 series Detroit. but have no experience with it other than reading about it any comment?
Look at a 3-53 or 4-53 they are a lot shorter than the 71s and much lighter.
Belive it or not detroiters are very heavy for thier cubic inch. More than cummins or cat look it up i was surprised too!
Who owns the big white Autocar @ 1:28
Looks roomy when you have a guy 4’9″ in the video…
Trucks could be ordered with any combination of Dayton and Buds that the customer desired. I’ve seen front / rear and rear / front. I currently have an 86 International that has Buds on the front and Daytons on the rear, I formerly had an 85 International that was very similar that had Daytons all the way around. Of course a big challenge these days is getting 22.5″ Dayton wheels to get the old 20″ bias plies off of the old trucks. As far as the old 20″ “split rims” they were only dangerous to people that should not have been fooling with them. Rust built up in the ring groove, if the groove was not cleaned out before the ring was re installed, it did not seat and could easily blow off when the tire was inflated. Particularly in the spot where the ring was split.
Hi all. I’m looking for a bit of help finding some parts for a 3-71. My plan is to install it in a 1966 Dodge one ton so I’m looking for an automotive governor and a 6V-71 truck exhaust manifold and the bit to hook up the pipe to it.
Around Seattle you use to be able to find Jimmy parts just about anywhere now it’s good luck!
Kriss,
I assume you have solved your problem by now. The 71’s are to big and heavy for a 1 ton truck. The 4-53N & 4-53T are ideal in that application. They weigh around 1300 LBS. which is almost twice the weight of a big block gasser. They are heavy but they are true heavy duty engines. They use replaceable liners – cylinders walls.
A mechanic at my old shop took an old army pickup with an inline 6 gasser and swapped a 350 Chevy. He said it ran better but not what he wanted. So he put a 4-53N in it. It ran better. Next he turbo’ed it and got a 4” muffler off an old Pete. He told me he had no problem pulling his boat or travel trailer over the same grades his gassers struggled on. That thing sounded great. If you put a 71 in it would be too much weight on the front axle. Unless you counterweight the bed you could have control problems. I would also expect front end component failures. The 4-53 was a popular swap. You can find it all over the internet. The easiest swap for you is a Cummins B Series .
I know of one pickup truck an old dodge 3/4 ton that had a 4_53 installed it was up against the governor at 50 mph!in high gear i dont know the rear end ratio but the guy came into my freinds shop looking for a faster set of gears for it!
That is very new and surprising to see.
It used to be a 97 intl 4900/labrie
Nice to see that you are looking to the future of the web. My recommendation is to add the specs for the trucks that you photograph. I know that write about the truck’s info in your blog post, but most of the similar sites that talk about other types of trucks, give a legend with the photo. And I know that many of your shot are on the fly. But it would help
Looking forward to seeing the new site! And thanks for all you do. You are a really talented writer, and I enjoy the articles and captions just as much as the photos.
Love your show videos!
Pulling or pushing?
What is the weight of a 6V-71 engine.
Can’t find it online somewhere….
No cooling, start motor or generators installed.
I need to put it on a trailer for transportation.
Fred
Fred… I’m sure you have your answer by now, but in any case… the 6V71 less parasitic accessories is in the neighborhood of 2,100 lbs.
Have fun and best of luck with your project.
Around 2250 pounds
“I recall a story from my CDL training days from the instructor of many years that helped scare the spoke lover out of me. He claimed it was possible for the flanges holding a spoke style wheel to break loose effectively neutering any braking power as the wheel was no longer really connected to the drums! Tall tale to scare the rookies? Very possible.”
My gravel truck has Dayton’s, and I’m not so sure this is possible, at least on mine.
You see, the rim actually has a couple of “humps” that protrude, and the rim is fitted so that these “humps” are in between a section of the spokes. Can rim come loose and slide? They ABSOLUTELY can, and will, but generally would be limited to an inch or two each way by these humps, thus giving the driver/owner an opportunity to properly retorque them.
And Daytons are a SUPER tough wheel set-up. Excellent for heavy off road use. I would not “upgrade” to a more modern style wheel. Just a word from my own personal experience… Just make sure to retorque them after dismounting them, preferably even two or three times. This should solve any potential issue with slippage.
need cable for tilt cylinders on 1984 Trojan 3000c
I drove a 1970 loadstar dump druck and a 1976 loadstar school bus. Also was watching your d w winkleman s 24 video. I operated no. 920 and i think 960 for them in 1975 when they came to west virginia to build a new coal mine site. It was the sago mine that several miners were trapped in a few years ago. No wonder i have bad hearing now we never thought of ear protecton..
A few weeks ago, I was in greater Rochester, and there was a “Wegmans purple” tractor hauling a Wegmans trailer, but the markings on the door of the tractor was for “A. Duie Pile”
please call me on the red sterling dump truck 1997. 302 258 8339 cell
I think it’s just plain ugly. Nothing new here, other than the hood. Mack has been doing this for years, just add some decorations, and give it a new name. It really shows a serious lack of investment in the Mack product line.
Specs are good, all Volvo technology, which is not a bad thing, especially if you’re going with an automatic trans.
I don’t think it’s going to be a big seller in the Owner Operator market.
I have a customer that ran twin marine 12v71’s out of fuel. I installed new seperator filters, secondary filters, fuel lines, bled the system and both engines fired up immediately. Both run great but after they reach operating temp, 1 stalls out. It will start again only to run a little while then stall again. What is the issue?
1. Bad fuel pump.
2. Dirty injectors.
3. Fuel regulator.
4. Air intake.
5. Governor adjustment.
Thank you.
A plugged vent in the fuel tank.
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Gotta admit, I love Macks, but I’m not a big lover of the new Anthem. It looks like a little kid designed it, and stuck on a bunch of awkward spare pieces from his Lego set. I would not buy it simply on looks alone, because of it’s awkward, chunky appearance. Much prefer the smooth clean lines of the previous model.
I was in a vo-tech high school back in the 70s and we had a couple of Detroits in the shop. We had a 8-V71 out of a Bus and a 2-71 that they said was off a military generator unit. They were both a joy to work on and to this day I love the sound of a Detroit.
My buddy, from high school, became a curator for a railroad museum. I was visiting one day and we cranked the big Detroit in an over-the-road, Santa FE war bonnet, a-unit. What a thrill! The valve cover was off and you could watch the rockers slowly moving up and down as the engine spun over. A release of the compression release lever and it came to life.
James… “and we cranked the big Detroit……”. The EMD locomotives, although a division of GM (now Caterpillar), and the EMD prime movers (formerly Cleveland) used to run the generators… have Absolutely Nothing to do with Detroit Diesels whatsoever…. just so you know.
Yes, they are both 2 cycle design, and they both utilize Unit style injectors, and valve “bridges” for actuation… but the similarity ends there.
I need the drivers side cab hinge from this truck. The side of the hinge that’s bolted to the frame (4 bolts). Has provision for power assist steering cyllinder rod mount.
Please contact me, anyone who can help. Thanks, Lou
Hi do you still have 6-71 Detroit tow truck if you have send me compleate information and the price thank you.
Hi I am interested in this truck send me information how mouch you want thank you.
I am interested in learning about the mechanical (100% traction) derive train of (any) Walter Snow Fighter. Any parts book sheets or general arrangement drawings available? Thank you.
Talking about stalling problems , two marine 12V71 naturals housed in a Mark ‘ll patrol craft fast Swift Boat.
Both . The port engine stalls eff hen tsken out of gear and put bavk into gear ig stslls why?
The problem is most likely high fuel pressure due to a plugged restricted fitting or closed valve in the return fuel line or a stuck relief valve in the fuel pump.
I, have this machine but how to get spea pats
Looking at a used (10,000 miles) 2011 Monaco 36 ft. motor home. Unit is in almost new condition. The drive train is the Maxxforce 10, 350 HP Big block 9.3 Turbo diesel, with a Allison 6 speed trans. Is this the same engine that has all the failure problems in the large trucks, or is the RV version of the engine any better. Love the RV, but after reading about all the engine problems, am rethinking the purchase. Let me know if anyone can relate to this engine.
The Maxxforce 13 is what typically was found in Class 8 trucks and was the engine just about everyone hated. I never heard much about the 10 having the same run of problems. I believe it was more closely related to the DT line of Internationals engines which are generally considered bulletproof.
Did you buy the motorhome? And have you had any problems? I am looking to buy a 2012 HR with the MAX 10. What do you suggest?
I have a 40 ft Monaco, have put 10k on it since purchase, now has 47k miles. The exhaust regen comes on occassionally but I have had no problem with the engine.
I was reluctant to buy but got a warranty.
I have a Trojan 134A loader with the 1967 UD-282 diesel engine. Looking for new fuel filters and lid seals for the (2) fuel filter canisters. Any input would would be appreciated. Thanks.
Chris Colo
Athol, MA
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We have a ac 16 a ac sideboom 16B a ac hd5 with a wench a hd5 track loader a model d maintainer plus others
Looking to start old equipment show in bremhan texas looking for more old equipment not to sale just save a show we have draglines loaders bulldozer
Hi guys
Is the engine block the same size in a v671 and a v692 ?
Thanks
The racks can get bound up and will be unable to keep the engine from stalling at idle due to high fuel pressure. A sticking fuel pump relief valve or a return line restriction i.e., plugged restricted fitting or a valve shut off.
No, The 6V-71 and the 6V-92 blocks are completely different. The 71 has dry liners and the 92 wet liners.
But they are the same size. 8V’s also. You can swap out a 92 for a 71 with no changes in the bodywork … at least on a bus. Been there, doen that.
The older 71’s were air cooled. I had a 1965. The air box covers were big ovals. The later model water cooled liners had smaller rectangular covers over the air boxes.
Good day since you had a posting about a autocar (mustang 22)
I have purchased it. it now lives in grand forks Bc (mid nytes towing )
I’m trying to find out where it was built and it’s first owners . it is currently being cleaned up and painted .
I love this site. I started in a vo-tech high school in a two year diesel course. There we worked on a number of old military White Continental Multi-Fuel diesels. I really liked the small diesel units. We had a 2-71 Detroit in the shop was the power unit for an old MASH unit. I didn’t make a career out of diesels but I kept my hand in it owning several diesel tractors. I currently have a 70s vintage Kubota L175 2 cylinder diesel that is built like a brick outhouse. I had to rebuild the transmission but the engine is still running like a top.
Thanks! I hope you keep stopping by.
You missed the 2 giant dirt drill/augers that they had working all summer too… The seemed to be in the same spot all summer… with in 200′ east of Beech St.
20 pages?
High School English class… We had to write a 7 -10 page report on something…
I chose in the area of the state of the US’s transpiration networks…
I handed in a 37 page report, and the teacher wouldnt look at it…
My mother whom worked at a typesetting firm, (there is a job that has gone the way of the dinosaurs) and she was able to get it down to 12 pages…
How about this, one of my religious classes required a 12 page paper. Despite my best I could only get to six or seven so I just left the rest of the pages blank and handed in the paper that way. The professor wrote a question mark on each page. I still passed.
Pretty gutsy approach Eric. Might not have worked a second time though…
You also for got to cover the blow out of the temporary wall at Teal, causing the earth under the westbound lanes to give way…
I think you have your lug nuts all cross threaded there. In the industry, the term Budd Wheel is often used in a misleading way. Technically ANY wheel made by the Budd Corporation can be called a Budd wheel but the scoop on the ground is quite different. Your description of the Dayton style wheel is correct but your assessment of their utility and defects leaves out the MOST critical part of why these wheels are no longer with us. They were exclusively (until the upgraded design to the tubeless rim) a tube type tire and they featured a split rim design that could (and did) prove deadly to people trying to service them when the retainer ring blew off after an improper seating. The tubeless rim designed much later eliminated this occupation hazard but as you pointed out, the skill level was still high to get the rim onto the spoked hub to run square.
Your photo of the “Budd Wheel” is NOT a Budd wheel at all, rather it is of the more modern Accuride design, known as a hub piloted steel wheel.
To be classified as a Budd Wheel in the common vernacular of the trucking industry the wheel MUST be of a single piece disc and it MUST be of the Stud Piloted style. That is to say that the wheel/tire combination os ‘centered’ by the 10 ball socketed studs running against the 10 concave pockets machined into the wheel disc. This is the ONLY style of wheel that is recognized as a Budd wheel.
The wheel that is shown in your photo is generically called a “hub piloted” wheel and it is being centered ON THE HUB index. The loading is actually distributed onto the large 5″ ?? index hub. The wheel is held to the hub by 10 flanged nuts and they carried NO weight of the vehicle. The wheel, when mounted loosely on the indexing hub, will actually fit loosely over the hub studs and will rotate fore and aft about 1º. Accuride is the original designer/producer of this wheel but it is now manufactured under license by Goodyear and Firestone.
Thank you for clarifying the difference between BUDD and hub piloted rims. Kind of calling a rifle magazine a clip. Drives me crazy. I drove a tri-axle milk tanker with the old tube-type Daytons. Had several rims split at the edges and blow off the hub and hundreds of feet away from the truck. We ran at 120psi. We found that when we oiled the wedges and threads and torqued the nuts to lubricated torque values we eliminated the rim cracking. Then came the tubeless Daltons and life was good.
Hub piloted wheels are called “Coach” wheels and were used by Chevrolet in the 30’s.. Accuride definitely did not invent them.
the lugs do carry all the weight. their clamping force is holding up the weight to the truck. there is a SMALL gap between the central hub and the piloting steps around the center diameter. very small to the point its considered “centered” but only couple tho smaller and is not bearing on that center diameter. its not even a slip fit, very loose in fact. On installation you have to put a centering pad at 12o’clock position to help “split” this small offset. There are stud centering bushings you can buy to tighten the concentricity of the wheelend or for damaged “hub centering steps”.
There are 2 worm wheels connected by 6 worm gears. When you go around a turn the worm wheels rotate the worm gears on their axis for differential action but if a wheel is hung up the worm gears can’t turn the worm wheels so it turns as a solid axle. With this setup you can jack 3 wheels clear off the ground and the one wheel with a little bit of traction will drive the truck off the 3 jacks. This is 100% Traction!!! The truck then drives through jackshafts out to a spur and internal ring gear setup (G-40000, 64:16; B-40000, 70:14; U-54000, 70:12) in the wheels giving it lots of pushing power. The solid axle allows the snowplow to attach directly to the front axle. With the standard transmission the transmissions input and output shafts are reversed to put the center differential inside the output shaft eliminating a transfer case and the front differential in the front half underneath an the input shaft. With the Allison it’s the same basic drivetrain but configured more like a regular 4 wheel drive truck with the center differential as a single speed transfer case and the front drive as its own unit.
If anyone is into building models, there is a kit for the CCC half cab available.
http://aitruckmodels.com/product/crane-carrier-half-cab/
First 8910 I’ve seen with the 50,000 Magnum graphics. AFAIK, all 50K decaled Magnums were 7200 series tractors in 1994. Be interesting to get the story on this 8910.
And here I thought it was just a tractor!
During Viet Nam, I worked at a mini shipyard in Quih Nhon. One of the boats we worked on had Detroits. The mechs overhauled 12V71 engines, one pair bolted together for each prop, about 4 FT dia. They had twin superchargers and turbochargers. I am not a diesel mech, but when they were done overhaul, they ran around 3900RPM, I think, during sea trials. They were great to hear run!!!
I noticed it was down, and i’m glad it’s back!
I have the original plague describing the Volvo that was in the movie of your interested plz email me or leave a me5here
I have the original plague describing the Volvo that was in the movie if your interested plz email me or leave a me here and plz tell me information if anyone knew about the plaque
Keep up the good work! There are people out there enjoying it!
Thank you friend.
Ditto to Todd’s comments. My father and I are faithful followers, especially of Autocar Mondays.
We appreciate your efforts Eric!
Dave
That front has dried up recently. Hopefully that will change soon.
Is that a frame rail or a girder???
Hard to tell on these all rigs!
Eric,
Was this the corner of Butternut Dr and 290? If so that Reo was there for years and years. At one time it had a concrete block crane and flatbed on it. Drove by it for easily 12 years and said “I need to get a picture of that” and never did.
Sure was. I believe the body of the truck is still there.
Eric,
Is this blower still there? If so, you should see if you can get in there a get some close ups and one of your world famous walk-around videos! Don’t forget to get the engine make/models too.
Yes, I believe it is. The town cleaned up their yard a few seasons back with the loader and some other junk heading to Auctions International. The Oshkosh however remains. Tucked far away in the back corner well out access.
My name is Bill Thomas . I started working at Northwest when I graduated from high school, in 1971 . I worked in the main machine shop till the placed closed down.
I made lots of friends there… and we all loved working there ! It was hard work, but a great place to work !
Well I am glad you grabbed this picture before it disappeared.
Autocar is owned by Wildcat Cranes Inc., Ft. Worth, Texas
phone # on door is 817-561-9188
Thanks! It was the star of the show IMO.
A few years ago… I found a power platform machine, that looked similar to this machine…
I think I shared a video of it on the DOT plow FB page, but the videos have since disappeared from youtube… And I can not find anything on the net about it…
One of its applications was an driver/operator fed chipper via hydraulic arm…
I do not understand why they are clear cutting the banks of the canal… Why start now? No one has cut a tree in literally 100 years from the old canal.
More pasture like, even though they are going to pave the tow path?
Here is that machine… Its the only pic I can find…
This one has a flail mower with vac on it….
http://www.peakhill-associates.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Herder-Biomass-harvester-readying-to-leave-AD-plant.jpg
Ah yes, I have post about the power platform on this site from March of 2011. It seems like a good idea by these specialty platforms rarely catch on. Even when they offer a variety of attachments. A bunch of these just went up for auction down in Maryland.
These guys are from the Boston area. I have seen that machine in action, pretty mpressive.
Cool. If it’s still around next week I might have a chance of seeing it live.
Nice pics Eric. No HV model yet. Probably March of this coming year.
That Sullivan truck looks like truck No. 10, one I haven’t seen yet. It would have replaced the 1992 Autocar ACL64B. I wonder if that is one of those twin auger Henderson bodies?
Unusual vehicle!
That truck was owned by Hartsthorn paving out of Putnam county, NY. I remember seeing that truck for years. Where is it now?
I found it just outside of Watertown, NY, directly to the Tracey Road dealership off of I-81.
What up with the truck that looks like it has a railroad car stuck on its back, you think maybe the manufacture also makes rail cars?
If I Remember Right and if Anyone Remembers them. Dinky Toys Made Models of ERF Trucks.
I watched this only two weeks ago…
I’ll bet that trucker was glad when the Northway was completed in 1967. I was glad to see he was driving a Mack B-61, the favorite tractor of Daily Diesel Dose fans.
Hi , Like the site , I’m looking for a Mack B-61 , I think around 1963 , single Axle , 750 Holmes , Kelly green cab , white Boom , around 1973 sold , Had Apollo Towing , Hollis Queens , NY . on the side , been looking for yrs. any Ideas , Thanks have a nice day , Lennis.
I live outside of buffalo ny and have a 34 stewart 5 ton dump with the straight 8 Lycoming I also have a 32 cab and chassis.both in need of a lot of work.the 34 was in bad shape but can be saved. I am looking for another Lycoming hopefully complete and not all cracked like mine.if anyone has any info on any parts let me know I might horse trade some of the 32 parts greg deglopper 716-553-0710 leave a message
Micheal I am in the same place. I am thinking about a 2012 Monaco 32PBS with a 300HP, MaxxForce 7. Is this engine a lemon??
I have driven about 4 Navistar Maxxforce 7 diesels in IC full size school buses. They are a constant hassel re the EGR and DPF system. Especially bad in typical Central Canada winter weather. The hyper EGR only emissions cleaning system causes unburnt diesel oil to wash past the piston rings contaminating the crankcase lube oil. Requires additional oil chages but viscosity goes for shit causing unintended wear. They routinely eat up expensive sensors, EGR valves and EGR coolers. Post warranty get prepared to pay bigtime. Also forced regens are too frequent and cannot be done when sensors go faulty. Avoid the Maxxforce 7 motor.
LBD hauls “spoiled” milk I heard… They have one of those “brown water” spreaders that injects it in the ground… I think you might have had it on here… Its yellow, big off road tires and has the injectors that look like a comb behind it…
Wondering the fate? This is parked about a mile of your church out in the open, as all LBD trucks are… You need to get out more…
I had an opportunity to drive one of their 5 toner military trucks years ago… From your church down to the parking lot… I was told… “Get in that and drive it down to LBD, keep it under 30 mph”. It was a big truck to drive down a busy thoroughfare with no shoulders on the road and that thruway overpass… It had been some time since I had driven a car with a stick, let alone a truck of this size… But we made it, with no issues..
Ah, I did see it leaving the Ultra Dairy plant many years back. It doesn’t look like your typical milk hauler so the spoiled angle make sense.
Thanks for letting me know about this truck now. *eye roll*
Sure looks a lot like Madison County’s old truck number 16 out of Wampsville, although painted red not orange. But, if I was a bettin’ man…
I’d take that bet….
Never got to drive it, but rode in it a few times.
Gentlemen, by all means place your bet. Indeed, this is Madison County Truck #16. A 1985 Autocar DK powered by a Cummins Big Cam 350/400, hooked up to a Fuller 13 speed Roadranger. Originally came in with a tri -axle Fontaine low bed trailer. This truck remained in service until replaced by the current #16, a 2009 International Paystar tractor. The Fontaine trailer was replaced by a Globe paver special low bed trailer a few years ago. This Autocar served the County well, and I must say…she looked much prettier dressed in orange. There’s just nothing quite like an Autocar!
My Dad drove an International 2 axle with a dorm box for Larraburu Bakery in the 50s and 60s. Then I was a fleet mechanic for Oroweat in the 70s and 80s and they had two Droms that went to Reno. They had the same capacity as a set of doubles, but with only one joint to make driving in the snow easier.
I have a old Hendrickson and id like to fine another one
Check it out on Craig’s list
I have an old one just like the ones in the pics
I am looking for a m series international truck to buy. Can anyone help? Thanks Paul
All that power… he needs a pusher box
Is the old Day and Night wrecker service from out by Solvay still in business?? In the early 70’s the had both an Autocar and a White Constructor with Holmes 750’s which had the cabs painted black on one side and white on the other then the bodys reversed.
I worked for Bonded/Matlack at the time and they were all we used.
Noise out of a Ram diesel? That went away with the Bosch high pressure fuel injection circa 2004.
I have 671 TIB in my boat with 3000 hours on them. I changed the fuel filters every 50 hours and the oil every 100 hours. I have had the boat 14 years and only replaced a starter in 14 years. The motors do leak some oil after 60 hours but not much. I run the engines at 19 -1950 rpm.(not 2150).
How many hours will I get out of these motors??????????????
TY
Dan Mag
Dan Mag…. How “long” will You… live? If properly maintained as you indicate (and hopefully you are using a LOW Ash – straight 40 wgt oil – ONLY!), these engines are generally good for 10,000+ hours…. I have heard of some going 15,000+!!…. and at the rate your going, with “only” 3,000 hrs in 14 years… they may outlast… You!! lol ; )
I used and fixed hundreds of tube type Daytons, they are only dangerous if ur not careful with the ring. Tubeless tires were such a blessing to the trucking industry and hub pilot was second. Daytons were great in there time but were very troublesome. the clamping system was proven to not be up to the job, they had to be constantly monitored for torque. If they loosened off they would spin on the hub under power or brake application thereby shearing off the stoppers and valve stems. Hub pilot is far superior and is far less trouble than the original budd wheels also
The MDC purchased I believe 6 of these shortly after the blizzard of 78. These were tandem axle with all wheel drive front ends. If you notice there are no cab protectors on these do to the a fact that the Metropolitan District Commission was responsible for plowing and sanding a network of parkways in and around the city of Boston. These roads did not allow any commercial traffic. They had very low bridges and underpasses ; hence the height issue with the trucks.
Great info. Thanks for stopping by.
Do you have any more I need cabs hoods rad grills 225 776 6060
I remember playing in the sand banks in Port Washington where Colonial had a big operation. I remember when the Pope mandion burned down off Bar Beach rd and aldo watching the Colonial fleer of chain driven Mack trucks fo their jobs.
They are using this truck to empty debris over at Mitzpah. Someone posted a picture of just the bucket, with someone loading concrete into it, on one of the local “history” pages on FB…
I guess this answers my question about the rest of the truck.
Hi Eric. That LT900 would not have a Detroit if it is really a 900 model. Gas is the fuel in that model so likely a Super Duty 477 or 534 V8. The 9000’s were the diesels. Strange location to see a grain truck right there beside I-690 in the heart of the city!
Ah. That sounds right. This truck is parked with a group of snow removal equipment. Can’t imagine this is the optimal kind of bed to be hauling snow around but I guess you run what you brung!
I remember visiting the LIC truck plant with Barricini chocolates next door. Can still smell the candy. Port Washington and the barge every July 4th . It was a safe good life.
Hybrid trash trucks
Wonder what those guards on the front A & B post of the windshield are for?
More than likely their for aerodynamics or to disperse of rain before it hits the mirrors. Same thing Canadians did back in 70s and 80s with their cabovers.
Reviving an old thread here but I just acquired a Trojan 154 tractor shovel….is there a 4×4 selector for the rear steer tires??
With regards to the green rim remember reading either denotes a different tire size for the front tires or type of fuel the truck uses.
I worked at Redford for 22 years, leaving in 1988 when sold to Penske. As a Receiving Inspector there quality was important. Every outside purchased part not made in-house had many checks to go through before acceptance. I believe we made the highest quality engines and history and customer satisfaction proves it. The 2-stroke 53’s and 71’s have been proven in war and troops swear by them.
Hi ! How many number you have in your serial number ?
Saw this up close and personal this week at the NTEA show in Indianapolis. The International version (called the “CV”) is slated for 4th quarter. The Chevy version probably won’t readily be available much before then either.
Nice update. Thanks Eric!
looks good from here. I’d like bigger tires please.
It all started when the VP of Engineering (Pat Charbonneau) took over. He couldn’t engineer his way out of a wet paper bag. The 6.0 liter was his baby and it turned out to be a huge piece of junk. Things only got worse from their. This maybe just one man’s opinion, but others share it.
Hmm… I wonder if any of mine were saved?
My son who lives in Saskatoon Canada bought a international truck which has the “v8 diesel ,max force 7 ,he has nothing but trouble ,breaks down every week ,it’s had a new engine ,and still breaks down complete load of rubbish . And the well known supplier in Saskatoon just aren’t willing to help .now it’s just parked up and he’s still paying for it .
I guess I did have one buried in the pile of emails! I almost forgot about this one…
And I was looking at the TPL for trucks… But not just any old trucks… They have a collection of early bulk feed truck photos in their collection… You know how hard it is to find vintage bulk feed bodies on the internet?
Saw the wrecker roll through my screen in a recent episode of Heavy Rescue 401 and thought wasn’t that an Autocar Monday feature not long ago. Anyway, this featured Autocar can be seen working hard in Season 2 of Heavy Rescue 401. Well only in the 8th episode, but still cool to see the old iron out working. Maybe the production company will work with Unique again next season.
I’ll have to wait for season 2 to hit Netflix. Can’t get enough heavy duty towing.
That truck on the hook looks pretty flexible.
this type of machinery renewable or not ?, i have 1 in Sudan capital khartoum ,
Renewal cost
I know exactly where that is and always thought it cool how NYSDOT had it parked out there on display (for those of us who appreciate it).
Awesome to see the inside now too.
I love the site, I check every day for my required dosage!
Thank you friend.
I drove by this on Sunday, Easter, on the way home… It is a sharp truck…
i need a pinion for a 1900 yale and wood love a parts book and a place to buy parts new and used
I was driving by a particular “spring” shop on Tuesday night, and saw an old AC… I thought to myself “I should turn around get a shot of that truck for Eric” Then looking at this photo, I noticed that you had already…
Yeah, they are starting to get tired of me.
FRANCE bonjour je recherche a savoir le mois jour annees pour mon diamond t 969a ww2 …………numero de chassis 4157 ………….plus le numero sur le capot USA 00…. merci pour votre aide gil
July ’16
Its interesting that the trailer also has back up lights…
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDQ7M7mkaJcX6KGo2
Have you been able to trace my route yet on recent posts? lol
Im waiting for the smorgasbord of the eclectic collection at the corner of 49 and 46 to show any day now…
I only got one decent shot from that place, photo ran a few weeks back, green GMC with plow.
I am interested in this mack. How much is the lowest you can go. Thank you.
Hi Eric. When I worked for Madison County and we did large oil & stone resurfacing projects, Suit-Kote would provide the oil. In those days, they would show up to the projects with tandem distributor and feed tank trailers being pulled by these Road Boss 2 tractors and Ford LNT-9000 tractors. If I remember right, they had Cummins 903 V8’s in them.
You finally stopped at that dozer huh?!
There is an equally nice one on Sweet Road, buried in a hedgerow.
International’s new line of trucks is refreshing for the company, even if there are generally minor updates to the physical appearance (granted the new MV redesign increases visibility). I wonder how well the A26 will hold up compared to its’ predecessors (engine is used in the HX, RH, and LT series)
that’s the engine that I built then sold it to don Robertson.
One world order Truck. Looks a little bit like an electric, I am sorry to say, truck. But I call them as I see them. No disrespect to you Eric.
It reminds me of a bus. I’ve never cared for Euro styling which this truck has in spades.
Wow! I just ran across this video, and I bought the one on the right (with the service body). It’s pretty distinctive, and I was amazed to see it in the YouTube sidebar for another video I was watching!
The truck’s in rough shape, but I wanted a project. Current priorities are the wheels, fuel system, rear driveshaft, glass and weatherproofing, and redoing the electrical system. Engine’s seized, carb needs some work, shocks and springs will need to be replaced, but the frame’s in great shape and it still steers and rolls quite easily despite the front left tire being essentially non-existent. With all the work I need to do, realistically, I don’t expect I’ll be done with it for a few years. But I’ve done some work on it already and will be tearing into it in earnest over the summer. I fully expect I’ll be able to get it back on the road again given enough tinkering time – it just needs some TLC.
Thank you for posting this video! It was very very cool to see my truck.
i worked at trojan for 20 years when they went out of busness i purchesed all parts in building i have 5 buildings full.i sell all ofer us canade mexcio i have copies of all manules i h i knew don ave the prints for most of parts i buy used machines and tear them down for parts i knew don and bill
I have a 1984 Trojan 2000c with a cummins VT504C . I am going for a oil cooler or do you know of where I can get one
I need manual for Trojan 7500 loader Possialby Parts
I’m looking for a manual and any information on an lt-400 go. Machine number E-383
I own a 1500z Trojan loader.
Love to have your contact info & would buy a repair/parts manual ,if available.
Imagine the decals we could have had for the money spent on the last study, the one that was given to King Cuomo’s cronies in NYC, that told us the same thing that the rest of the studies did…
Not sure you saw on your commute, the coring machine they were using around Kinney Street overpass on 481, thats for the other boondoggle, the canal path from nowhere to nowhere…
Yup. Silly.
They also had a tracked drill rig at the corners of Townsend and Water street for a week. Future home of 81?
A man can live on Business Class alone. Ha. Half of what I sell is M2 product.
With 50% market share and the economy as hot as it is we are selling a ton of them.
Keep up the good work with the site.
Guess I got into the wrong biz!
How can I buy this truck ?
A crown Vic pulling these things! I thought you needed a 3500 dually to pull anything…..
A 3500 at the very least. Probably should have a pintle hook and a goose neck setup to be safe.
hi eric, what´s up?
my question is:
i have a 671 engine in line model 1063-7005 (typical power generator unit) and this engine was tested at 134 hp at 1200 RPM ,so i´d like to turn this engine in 1063-7000 (typical industrial power take off unit )with 180 hp at 1800 rpm.
Is it possible?
Regards,
Ednaldo
Ednaldo,
I just happen to find your post here… and I’m sure that you’ve long since found your answer by now…. but, just in case and for someone else who might be wondering about the same question, or just wondering about what the “possibilities” are with these engines, the “short” answer is…. “the sky is the limit”….. and stopping just short of “insane”.
What exactly are you powering with this 6-71 you have? How much power would you like to have from this engine? You can go to about 450hp (with a turbocharger & 4 valve head) and still have Lots of good, dependable reliability and longevity.
I will tell you that back in 1969 they (DD engineers) built a 6-71″X” (for experimental)… and that they ran it steady on one of their in-house dynamometers for two weeks straight, under full load at 2,700 rpm… yielding 750hp and nearly 1,430 ftlbs of torque.
There are literally dozens of different injectors – but, you have to know the different types and how they affect the power band of the engine. Also, you can “safely” govern them up to 2,350 rpms (no load) with the valve springs you have (unless of course, the engine has LOTS of time on it and the springs are getting weak), but if you want to go higher, then you must change out the valve springs for the marine units… of which there are several different spring rates.
Also, you have a 2 valve head on your engine (if, it’s all “original”), which is fine for the Low hp, low rpm “breathing” it seems you want to stay at…. but IF, you want to go up higher (over 200 hp & higher rpm range), I would definitely replace it with the 4 valve head.
We had a 12-71 in the Lady Butterfly – Pro Semi Sled Pulls (NTPA, ECPA, etc) for Years…. and were turning it at 4,000+ under load and Never blew it up… though it did spin a main bearing once, back in 2006. The power was right around 2,500 hp and 3,000 ftlbs of torque…. but lots of “tricks” to get it there, including “hand built” 240mm injectors (“fuel faucets”)…. I don’t “share” any more than that… sorry. lol : )
I believe that’s a SMI- Snowblast, A division of Sicard in Watertown, NY. NYSDOT still has some brothers of this blower, but in a finer shade of chrome yellow.
I’m working on a 1974 tug boat powered by two 12v71s with blowers. Throttle hung wide open causing it to run about 2700 rpm. Spitting out a few valve springs in the process. New engine has been sitting on an engine stand for 12 years and hadn’t even had oil run through it yet. It shuts off when taken out of gear and doesn’t hesitate to restart. What adjustments can I make to stop that from happening?
I have one doing the exact same thing. What did you find ?
can you suggest a hauler to transport a 52 mack semi?
Love the GMC cement mixer at 2:40, however those were made to be powered by Detroits…..sorry Cat.
Amen!
Do you know the story behind why they were called the world’s toughest trucks?
All of these machines we’re indeed sold. I’ve always noticed them since I was a kid and was surprised to see them gone. Sad to know I missed the auction, heard a few dodge power wagons were in the lot of sold equipment.
Very cool. That widening machine looks like it was an Oshkosh plow truck in a former life.
The second I saw these two I knew you would love em.
I am looking for manuels for a134a trogen loader any one please
I missed you again!!! I was working that entrance to registration both Thurs and Fri afternoons. Hope to meet you in person soon.. Will be at Macungie.
Ah! As you can see I spent much time in that area. Best section of the show if you ask me. If I make to Macungie this year it will be on Friday.
Your top picture is a mid 30’s Diamond T. The name Diamond REO was created by White Motor on May 1, 1967. It was only after 1960 that White mixed and matched body parts after they moved the Diamond T assembly to the REO plant in Lansing Mich.
Thanks for slowing down at 1:15 to admire that Ford
My Dad worked for Colonial Sand & Stone and he loved it! Great company to work for.
Awesome pics!!! You got any info on that blue Mack/Talbert combo?
Well, it was being pulled by a Mack B-815 at the show. Other than that I can tell you it was used to bring trucks the show when it is hooked to a Mack Granite. Awesome setup. A true blast from the past.
Hi Eric I have a 1973 w923 Kenworth that needs a new home can you help me find one? call or text 720-633-3223 Thanks Randy
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone could help me out in cross referencing the rear output shaft seal for my 1500Z. The Trojan part number is listed as 6901576 but I can not find anyone who can cross this part number over to a SKF, Timken, National, or any other part number that I can actually purchase. I know I could likely pull the seal and measure to find the replacement but I was hoping to have the new one on hand before I made the repair.
Also I have a couple of questions that maybe someone with an operators manual (which I do not have) for the loader maybe able to answer.
1. What is the oil capacity for the transmission?
2. What should I be running for oil in the transmission? ATF or hydraulic fluid?
3. Is the temperature gauge located on the dash second from the right between the pressure gauge and hour meter measuring the engine temp, hydraulic fluid temp, or transmission temp?
If anyone knows the answer to any of my questions your knowledge would be greatly appreciated. I purchased the loader a few months ago for next to nothing from a dairy down the road that had upgraded and left it to sit. I use it mostly to move hay bales around the farm but I really don’t know anything about it. All the dairy knew was that the original motor blew and was replaced in 2012 with a new 4 cylinder Cummins and they projected only putting around 500 hours on it since the swap. Unfortunately the local mechanic that did the work on the machine has since passed away leaving me with a lot of questions and no answers. Thank you again in advance for any information.
Justin,
You might try the Historical Construction Equipment Association website:
https://www.hcea.net
Good luck with your hunt!
Dave
Well done Eric! Great pictures. Thanks for sharing with those of us too lazy to make the trip.
Love the pics and blog entry !
Guys, I have a 1984 Post Marine 43 with 2 1988 Detroit 671T and they have Jabsco saltwater pumps on them. But been having trouble with them blowing water like crazy. Had the port rebuilt but still throwing water but not as bad as before, but bad enough to give me some concern. Can anyone tell me if there is different maker of pumps that will work for me and not cost me a arm and a leg.
Robert Wright, I am wondering if you still have your Post 43 with the DD 6-71s and are still having this issue. I know of a similar boat and would like to exchange engine info if you are available? Thanks, Capt. Rex. I live in Florida and email is: rexw75 at gmaildotcom
thanks,
Rex
Sorry about not getting back to you earlier but yes I still have the boat. Had to get the raw water pump rebuilt and that fixed the problem. Due to health issues I haven’t been able to run the boat for about a year. Doing a little repair right before I get her sold. Thanks for replying to my comment. Be safe. Fair winds and calm seas
I’ve got a 54 Austin Western grader we use for road maintenance in a small community. Runs like a noisy charm.
Any one know how to adjust the brakes? There are holes in the flywheel similar to older brake drums but I cannot feel any notches to make adjustments.
I am a also looking for a parts source for repairs down the road.
Awesome trucks!
Love the mailbox count on truck 12!
Its interesting how its a ford but has a cat log loader
First photo is a funny looking crash truck.
we are negotiating with some government agencies for the supply of airport fire fighting trucks and wish to request the fire fighting trucks model, capacity and details you have in stock. Please we want you to direct us to a company in the USA that can help us in mounting a fire fighting equipment on the back of a mack truck or better still a source to a company that deals with such
Thanks
The VP of Navistar Engine Engineering, Pat Charbonneau, fathered most of the reliability issues with their product. This clown didn’t know the difference between a crankshaft and a toilet plunger, as witnessed by the products made while he was in charge.
One of my earliest memories is of being terrified by that scream before the GMC 9500 came into view…..I want one now.
Me too! Local rail yard used to have a Detroit powered Michigan loader and the local village DPW had a Trojan also with a green leaker. I used to have dreams as a child of them chasing me and not being able to run fast enough. Somewhat funny considering neither machine had a top speed worth noting.
Mmm…could that be Onondaga County’s old truck #74?
That seems to be a common thought among those in the know.
I remember that Fenner ’59 Oshkosh well. I fact at that time they had three Oshkosh’s in the fleet. Glad to see Paul kept her alive and in one piece! I am also glad to see he saved that old Smithfield Galion roller too. Very cool.
That ex-Smithfield FWD is really in nice shape. I know they re-powered it with a DT-466 replacing the original Red Diamond 501 gas engine. There was another one of these Dodge cab FWD’s in their fleet at one time too but it has been gone for several years now.
Thank you. Great video. Who knew there was so much involved in planting tulips.
I bought a used 2012 RV with the Maxxforce 10 359hp TD. With only 36,000 miles on it. Within the next 6,000 miles I’ve spent four days in two different international deal rv with DPF and EGR problems from calling for regents that will not clear the code to the MIL light flashing and killing the power. After spending $3,000 they still don’t know what’s wrong. I think I do after reading all of this!
Was your rv a holiday rambler trip?
Need more Syracuse area dealer reports. Kenworth and Peterbilt.
Yes, I’ve got to get back into a routine. Sadly Peterbilt and Kenworth like to keep their stuff behind razor wire.
FYI Eric… the Red and Black truck was not sold to Suit Kote, it is pulling a walking floor to the landfill.
Landfill cruiser. What a shame!
Anyone know where I can get a Dayton 6.5×20 or 7 x 20 wheel with lock ring. Had tire change on my old 50’s grader and one of the rims was bad. I am having a very tough time find one of these things. All help will be appreciated. tx kevin
The red lights. Maybe by the age of this truck, Civil Defense might be the underlying purpose of those lights. All hands on deck!
I have 2 1969 S24’s. I’m looking for a CLT 5840 transmission for one.
Hello I have a 1961 Nelson 250 model that has no brakes , where can I get replacement parts????…. Thanks for any and all help sincerely coalcracker#4 from PA
I drove one of these beasts in 1952 on highway construction. I believe it was an older model than this. The company I worked for had two of them. They came from the Grand Coulee Dam site. No power streering. 3 gauges, air, oil and temp. Did have a speedometer. 32 M.P.R max. Had muscles on muscles when the job was over.
I am looking at purchasing a 1978 Trojan 44 foot boat. The boat is powered by two (2) diesel engines (model 671-N), each with 2034 hours of use on them. Providing the engines were maintained well, is that a lot of hours? What is the average life expectancy of a diesel engine – hours versus miles?
Are there any exterior differences between the 2-valve and 4-valve heads? My marine 6-71N’s are difficult to work around.
Thanks
Mike Partain…. Sorry for my Late reply to you.. just found this post. I’m sure you have your answer since quite a while ago, and the answer is No, the differences are only Internal, with being 4 valves and the “bridge” to actuate two valves per arm, rather than just one…. everything else is identical.
Are you thinking of changing from one head to another?… and IF so, I would think you’d be going from 2V to 4V and not “backwards”. In what way are your 6-71’s “difficult to work around”?? In terms of space?…. and what does that have to do in relation to a 2V head versus a 4V head?
Looks good, I would rather see the original style headlights instead of the plow lights they put on it, must have had those in their parts room. Even so I would drive that truck for free.
Love these old Autocar workhorses.
Would you have a picture of Paul Burke, the chief engineering, who designed many of the attachments for the NW cranes? Also, any info on where he and his family lived?
I worked at NW Engineering after high school, as secretary in the Repair Parts department.
Thanks
Laura,
I have a few photos of the late Paul Burke and a photo of his house on Spring St in Green Bay .
I would like to hear from you and discuss your later years Northwest
Regards,
Matt.
I have 2 v71 12 cyl in a boat hadn’t been running for many years one is fine but the other went up to 3500 rpm kept running when I pushed the stop.
One service guy told me to dismount all injectors one or several is stuck in full throttle ?
Any advise please
Per
Italy
Per Landin,
Well… that scenario is entirely possible, However… “usually” the only time you will run into that situation is after the engine has been “sitting” for a while…. like a year or more, and that is Thee Number One thing to ALWAYS check for when starting a 2 cycle (mechanical) Detroit for the first time after it has been “sitting” dormant for any good length of time… ALWAYS check for a stuck injector(s).
IF you find one, or more…. bar the engine over (by hand) at least TWO full revolutions and then recheck them… if still stuck, flip the rocker arm (or, arm and Bridge if a 4 valve head) and try Manually depressing the plunger spring on the top of the injector, IF… you cannot depress the plunger of the stuck injector(s), then you can try removing the fuel “jumper” tubes and spraying some lubricant into the fuel Inlet and let it soak in for a few minutes and then try depressing the plunger again.
Of course, before all that… you can clamp onto the fuel rack tube with “vise-grips” and spray some “anti-rust” lubricant onto the injector control arm and its “teeth” and try manually working the injectors until they are all working freely… disconnect the linkage from the governor, first… then remember to replace it when finished.
Nice job M.E.
Does the name: Marmet Peirce mean anything to you?
A friend of mine says his grandfather was GM or C.E.O for Diamond T
Have you ever seen that name show up anywhere?
You are a “Diehard truck guy”.!!!
Thanks for taking the time for all the video.
It still is a great event.
Rain or shine!!!
LEARN TO SPELL AND WRITE IN ENGLISH!
Russian – do you speak it!?
Sorry friend, I do not.
That C series is most likely post ’84…
Ton of OEM history. Why wouldn’t they donate cabs or parts to the historical truck groups. Rotting into nothing.
It seems to very common with ready mix companies to not sell any used equipment. There is a fear that someone could break into the industry with a used truck. Or something like that.
Great video. That kw-dart was the absolute highlight! Would love to see more of it
It’s amazing how some trucks, especially Macks, end up toiling their entire lives. Hauling overweight containers in the dust and dirt instead of getting cleaned up and enjoying a nice retirement visiting friends at truck shows. Life isn’t fair!
Amazing blog. You shared useful information for everyone. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
My name is Ignacio,I love old trucks.Autocars,Mack’s,Diamond T.I saw a video Boeneyard,many of those trucks are abandoned,I want to know where is that place,please.Thank you.My phone is 305 280 4130.
Just have a look at the brockway ten wheeler s doors :
Barney & Dickinson ; Vestal, NY.
I have a diamond t model 921 R Cummings twin screw with 5th wheel plate believe 1958 if so that was last year or diamond t name 921r0258 chassis no
It looks like a Cat No 12 grader .
This machine is of the mid 60’s vintage you can tell by the use of the full size tractor tires on the front prior to this vintage the wheels were of a smaller diameter
with a truck style tires. It features all mechcanical blade & scarifier controls . Cat didn’t introduce hydraulics to their grader dessigns until the G series OT the early 70’s
They believed hydraulics didn’t give proper blade feel.until they could develop good hydraulic
pressures to give good blade control / feel
I concur Matt. It’s a Caterpillar 12. Good work.
I worked for Transit Mix From 1980 till it closed. I started as a laborer and became a dispatcher. My uncle, Pat Kuhlmann, was in the Coast Guard with Anthony Pope during WWII and went to work for Colonial in 1946. He became the general superintendent of the NYC section of Colonial. He worked there till it was sold, and then worked for Transit Mix till 1983. I learned a great deal about how to run a business from my uncle and another man John DeRosa who became my mentor when my uncle retired. Anyone who worked for Colonial would know my uncle and John DeRosa (who worked for Colonial as well). I still have concrete plant dreams 30 years later
That’s Big 10-4 Bandit!!
Could be 1950’s vintage too. We had a ’51 at the Town of Sullivan and a ’55 at Madison County that had the full size tires on the steer axle.
WOW. Just wow….
I figured out where you were.
Real nice looking a*cars. I never had a chance to make it up there but I hear the show’s are really great.
We’re the YouTube videos of someone walking down the line in front of old trucks sitting in a bone yard of trucks that can be bought and restored? I drove from 1978 till 2009 for Wilson Trucking, Consolidated Freightways, and ABF. Would like to buy and old truck and restore it. Thanks for any help. I’M in middle GA.
Cool old film clip!!!
Find more!
I am looking for the operator’s manual for a Trojan Wheel Loader Model 2500. Can anyone share? I need information about the transmission fluids.
AWESOME FIND!!!
Good stuff as usual.
Pioneer Valley ATHS show next weekend. Is it worth the 2 hour drive from Boston?
From the photos I’ve seen in the past it looks like a great show. I’ve considered going in the past. Almost went last year!
I have a 2015 Maxxforce 7 4300.
@54k miles, there saying the engine needs to me replaced.. Normal? Your Thoughts?
I’m planing on buying a truck with the same engine.
Would you be able to contact me and share the negative and positive points on that engine.
The truck I’m planing to buy is a 2014 with 175 k miles
Thanks in advance for reading it.
I have a 2014 Lone star max force so far only thing that happend was a metal coolant line on top of motor had a pin hole leak looks like from rust I bought mine about 6 month ago with 360,000 miles so far good
Thank you so much for featuring our trucks! They will run with and sometimes pass, the new trucks. Still very reliable and comfortable. We’ve had lots of good times with these two old girls!
Looks like Miller Industries will be building a heavy wrecker off of one…
https://www.facebook.com/millerind/photos/a.127924937057/10156012319597058/?type=3&theater
Hauls more AND gets the same mileage as your puny 1 ton with stack through the bed…
Hey now, let’s remember Autocar and its founding families were all Pennsylvania-born. Those Mack boys were from Brooklyn. No disrespect, but there’s only one “native son” truck in Pennsylvania and it’s Autocar. 😉
Haha, very true. For some reason I was under the belief that one of the original Autocar factories was in Mass.
The DC200 is still there – tucked into one of the barns for safe keeping.
A great show that is always work the trip.
Dave
First, I’m looking for information on Series 71 serial number vs year of production prior to 1960. I have references identifying SN to year of production after 1960 to end of production, but not before. Was the same system of numbering always used since 1938? I have two 2-71’s 2A14395 and 2A8195.
Second I’m trying to find out what year they changed from the low to high block design. Older service manuals show it effective 3A-8330, 4A-19529, 6A-16283, 8A-133, 12A-1345, 24A-140 (the 8A, 12A, and 24A engines being twins and quads). The 2-71 was never changed to the high block design. Considering the number of engines reported built in WWII, it would appear this was a running change during the war which seems unlikely. Also a Gray Marine Manual I have, copyright 1944 only shows low block information. Were there reliability problems with the 2 pc head gasket of the low block or was it changed due to higher cylinder pressure with turbocharging in later years?
what year, make,model,
is the old white peterbilt cabover
Hello does anyone have the number of the guy up in Bativa who has a yard full of Trojan machines or is it gone ?
The Athens show was great! Fabulous weather and with George Tackaberry greeting the crowds, inviting them over to the nearby quarry to watch the blasting of more limestone for aggregate what a wonderful three day meet. Trucks, trucks and more trucks! The KeyKeystone Autocar sported an Ontario emblem on the doors but the beast worked in upstate New York. Another favourite Autocar was the Algonquin Recovery vehicle!
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I have acquired what I believe to be a 1965 trojan road tool LA-40. It has a Hercules flat head 4 cylinder. Still runs and moves. Just completely rewired it. Updated the starter and put a 1 wire gm alternator on it. With tire chains it pushes snow very well here in Minnesota. Bill if you had anywhere to track down info and specs I would love to here about it. Thank You and have a good day.
Did Hendrickson source the cab from Dodge ???
Yes, I believe they did. However, this cab is an IH, the same as used on the Fleetstar.
I enjoy the equipment info an it’s very informative
I just saw this post. SR-2 used to belong to the Chittenango Fire Department as our heavy rescue 685. It was sold to the Syracuse Fire Department when we took possession of our new rescue-pumper.
Does anyone have a hydraulic pump or a source for a 1989 1500Z ? Need one very badly.
Another question, what 3 speed power shift was used in the late model 1500Z. Someone (prior owner) thought it was very wise to remove the labels off the transmission. The hydraulic pump mounts on the RT side.
Thanks
I, personally, haven’t seen a current model Autocar Xpeditor used in anything except sanitation roles, but I think it would be great for other industries as well. Also, maybe it’s just the photo angle, but the chassis looks pretty short.
One of the mobile pugmills would likely be the center of attention at any show – even if just restored to roadworthy condition. A full restoration would be a show stopper.
Amazing find Eric!
Wasn’t sure where to post this. Check out the trucks in this picture:
https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/1059872346389938176
If history holds true their class 4/5 will not do well. Saving grace is GM buying power and low budget engineering. Their 13 liter is not doing well. Last ditch effort before before VW takes over. International is buying business left and right. I’m living thru it. They can build a truck in 3-4 months when everyone else is 6-10 months….marketshare reflection.
It sure looks like a Chevy
Hello i just bought a 1974 ford with a b&e hydro crane on top I dont know how to let out some lifting cable it has a lever behind the seat with a button . it will crank the cable in but i cant seem to figure out how to let some slack out .. !!! help !! cell # 2039946535
Exactly. It was based on a ford country.
Hi any idear how much the cj10a jeeps made at the auction?? What is one worth?? Thanks
Sorry, I do not know what they sold for.
Congrats, Hope all are doing well. I check your. site daily, if it’s the same as the day before I look at older posts.
Thank you Bill. You bring up a good point. Nearly 8 years of old posts to browse.
Congratulations Eric and also to your wife!! I remember my firstborn and yes it’s a real life changer, but also worth than anything in the world! My first is 28 years old now and I still remember the day she came into our lives, like it was yesterday. Treasure this time, because your first child’s birth is a real special time. God bless all, now three of you.
Thank your Byron.
Congrats!!!! Please post some pictures..
Thank you! I just have to find the right background (truck) for the photos.
Awesome and congratulations to you two!
Thank you Clarence. Attendance to the 2019 Uncle Sam show has just increased by one!
congratulations eric. lets see what our future truck driver looks like.
Thanks Jack. Hope all is well.
Congrats on the kiddo! I can imagine the tolls parenthood can take on one’s hobbies; I appreciate what you do here, and still look forward to reading your posts going forward.
Thank you Jake. Slowly but surely we are starting to settle into a routine. Sleep however is still in sort supply.
Congratulations!!! This will change your whole life (for the better)
I totally agree.
Congratulations to you and your Wife Eric!
Welcome to the world Preston.
Now you need to find some old Preston 151 Line memorabilia to add to the nursery…
Dave
Much to choose from on ebay!
Congratulations!!
Now you’ll have another truck nut to tag along on your adventures.
No doubt!
Congratulations! I follow your site regularly and always enjoy it.
This is hands down my favorite post. What a special time in your lives.
Welcome Preston. Very nice .
All the best !
Thank you Mike.
well done old mate but I suspect that the missus might have played a part. I check your post daily and love it. G-day Preston welcome to our world
Thank you friend. He has assumed all her best traits so far!
Congratulations, 151 Times. Eric, it shows that your wife is always interested in your hobby almost as much as you. I think you will adjust to Preston being a great addition to your family. I would bet that your wife might have felt him shifting gears when dad was photographing truck. Maybe not?
My wife has always been very supportive of my hobby. He was a very active baby in the womb and not much has changed since his arrival!
Love it fantastic machine which I could see one in person
Congratulations! I hope you raise him to love Detroit Diesels.
There can be no other way.
Congrats Eric, what a fitting story for the newest member of your family!
Hopefully he will appreciate the history as much as you do.
I will look forward to forthcoming posts as I always do, but I hope you enjoy this priceless time to the fullest.
Hopefully he will enjoy trucks. I’m not giving him much choice at the moment. 🙂
Congratulations Eric! All the best to you and your family.
Thank you Joe!
Oshkosh “The Only Real Plow Truck” I got a bunch of them. Once you plow with one you won’t plow with anything else. Built for work not operator comfort. They ride like a cinder block but will push 36″ of snow like its not even there.
Oshkosh “The Only Real Plow Truck” I got a bunch of them. Once you plow with one you won’t plow with anything else. Built for work not operator comfort. They ride like a cinder block but will push 36″ of snow like its not even there.
Nice. This must have been the one Sonny told me he had on order the year before he passed away as it was definitely not there when I last visited. Interesting to see number 22 as we never got past number 18 when I worked for them 30 years ago. I like that extra step design for getting into the cab!
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One of the reasons I’m into trucks is all the time my Dad spent driving me around looking at them – and to give my Mom some quiet time… Start Preston off young on the truck hunting!
Merry Christmas!
Dave
I remember the Dayton wheels being a harder and rougher ride down the road. And the Dayton’s burned more fuel per mile..
Must be a fuel truck thing, obviously they always are required to do this on the trucks that fuel airplanes. But I get a kick out of that someone put a wheel chock in front of the rear axle, like the old tired girl is actually going fo somewhere. By the looks of things, it looks pretty level, and going out on a limb, I’m guessing the tank has been empty for more than a couple of days. Maybe it’s a law though I’m guessing. Can’t be too careful I guess. Funny observation. LOVE all the old trucks, especially the Brockways.
Hope all is well with the beautiful baby. What an awesome way to start the new year!
I’m in Singapore and we beat you all to 2019 by 13 hours, and so far so good. ( A little glimpse into the future). Ha Ha Ha. One of my crew mates on the trip is from Syracuse . Good people these Syracuse folks.
Keep up the great work on the site.
Happy New Year !
Thank you Mike! Always nice to hear from you.
Hi looking for rear spring hanger for 1960 DC103
Any idea where this truck ended up or how to find it? I want it. Have loved That movie since I was a kid.
I worked at simon-duplex from September 6, 1988 December 24 1997 when I closed.
I worked at simon-duplex from September 6, 1988 December 24 1997 when It closed.
These are definitely different – notice that the one on the top has round turn signals and the white rig has square. It also looks like the rear wheel on the red truck is much more white while the rear is more rusted.
The only wheels that I personally have seen come apart while in use would be a piloted split rim style. This is the type that would have been on chevy c series of the 70s. I’m not sure the specific name of these. But they are the dangerous ones. The rim is of two halves that you hammer down when disassembling and have a slight lip and a notch where you stick a pry bar in to take wheel apart. These wheels obviously only used tube type tires.
I disagree. Tires/rims/turn signals get changed quite often – especially if a truck is painted. Zoom in on the “Mack” on the center of the cab shield. The rust in this area appears to be identical. There is also some sort of wire sticking up just above the tarp roller that looks exactly the same.
I am overhauling my US Navy surplus LCPL 36 ft, built by Polaris Marine in 1981, in Everett Washington. Does anyone know where I can get a tech manual for the boat? 8-71 TI Detroit Diesel.
Try Abebooks on line (www.abebooks.com) they handle used and vintage books. I just looked up “Detroit Diesel 6-71” and found several. They are pricey though
Is that Lenny Zappala’s Ford?
Yup. The dozer probably belongs to him as well.
International is offering me a deal on a 2015 medium sized truck with a 7.6 L motor L 6 I think with only 15,000 miles what’s my options if the motor goes out
I remember Burhmaster! I grew up a few towns north of Scotia. Thanks for sharing this pic. Might have to build a model of that truck for my model railroad.
the green Brockway is a 1966 model 358 . was built to be a Gulf oil tanker .. they didn’t take it . so it spent it’s life as a water truck watering the horse tracks .. south east of Rome NY. it only has 3303 original miles on it .. It’s mine .. going to fix it up and take it to the shows.
Good Morning, I am thinking of purchasing a 2013 Tiffin 28BR motorhome with a Navistar maxforce 7 diesel produced by international. It is the perfect size and floorplan for my wife and I. Is it the same engine that are having all the problems?
Thanks,
Mike
Hey Mike :
I could’ve written your post word for word. Did you end up buying the 28BR ? Interesting and terribly concerning reading about these MaxxForce diesels.
Mohr went out of business a few months back. Today we loaded all the Hendrickson’s out of there and saved them from the crusher. The are in really bad shape but they will live on.
I’m looking for Hendrickson parts, I’m in Chicagoland area, can you help?
Thanks
Patrick
Check it out on Craig’s List
I am the owner of this truck now bought truck in Dec 2018 in Howard County Arkansas.
I have to think the drivers will find work immediately.
Glad to see this post, was getting worried.
Good, I need to buy this model from you
I have pictures when this was brand new. My dad had this as a plow truck for several years. The dump box was an add on . The original was a do-all box.
That is too cool!
That cab says this may be an earlier Autocar than 53, this is quoted from info found in Robert Gabrick’s Autocar Book 1950 -1987 Photo Archive, “In 1950, the Autocar introduced the cab it was to use until 1987. The all-steel Autocar Driver Cab replaced a cab constructed of wood and steel. The welded frame consisted of heavy-gauge steel channel sections. All sheet metal, including the one-piece roof panel, was welded to this frame. The large windshield featured curved sides, but maintained a two-section design to reduce replacement cost.” I believe this may be an earlier Autocar, perhaps 48-49. If it’s a 53 like the post suggests, it’s had an earlier cab replacement. —- Just off the phone to Ken Fines in Binghamton — sending me some more pics and verified the truck is a 49.
Actually the cab introduced in 1950 was used till about 1966, then the cab with the higher windshields was used till 1987. The cab on this truck is surely not a 1953 as Mr. Murphey already posted. Excellent find all the same.
Spoke with the owner of this truck, Ken Fine Truck Repair in Binghamton (an hours drive from me) he states this Autocar is a 1949 DC 75.
Good detective work George. As it turns out this truck was once part of the Dave George fleet.
Does anyone have a good picture of a Hendrickson Semi I heed to have it drawn for someone.
Does anyone know where the tag should be located on a 4500z transmission? I think something broke that drives the hydraulic pumps. I think it’s a Clark .
no your not full circle !!! the 1991 Autocar was purchased by Duane Carlisle and is back to work in Massachusetts. The truck recieved a new tenco side winder body and a TC-170 transfer case and a new front live steer axle Meritor MX-23-160. not to mention sand blasting and painting. you can see pictures on my face book ! one hell of a truck !!! ps thank you for posting all the info on my Beautiful Autocar !!!
On an old school say 1987 3500 series Rubbertired front end loader I just want to make sure that where the air tank compartment is that you have looks like a plastic resovoir that you either put brake fluid in or after reading the German language looks like in English it says that you suppose to put air tank antifreeze is this true ?
Can I buy the small fuel filter element that sits inside a small glass housing that mounts under the steel hinged compartments that sitcaling the engine which happens to be air cooled ?
I recently changed both fuel filters on a Trojan 3500 series rubber tired loader and also
Drained some old fuel to get moisture out of tank while running the machine after about 2 hours I have lost power and is now hard to start I have just spotted the small filter inside a glass bowl mounted by the engine can you buy a new filter or should I just clean it out and does it come apart completely?
This happens to be as I’m sure you know an air cooled motor recently purchased
hello,
I am hoping someone will know what I need to know. Have H-434-A hopto excavator on a duplex division of Warner swasey truck chassis, with two broken axles. I hope to find out the maker of the axles so I cvan buy replacement axles. hoping someone will know this stuff.
I have 6-71 na in a 1950 Moreton bay cruiser built in Queensland Australia in 1950. I always avoided the mention of a two stroke diesel let alone owning one until I had this pleasure of working on the 6-71,it appears to be a landing craft gray marine,I even found the old battle governor in a box of bits,if anyone wants it for a restore I will send it.the engine is such a pleasure to work on ,simple,rugged and now I can’t wait for any excuse to run it up,the boat before this one was a ww2 hdml79 running two 1879 Which we lost, getting our hands on another ww2 relic is such a privalige,
Reading the previous comments makes me proud of all who had much to do with these wonderfull engines,I only hope future generations will appreciate the screaming jimmy ,
I’m used to 4 strokes and it takes courage just to hold the throttle at 1900 but I’m getting better at it .pretty soon I reckon running at those revs will have a carming effect
Three cheers for the 71 series May you Reign forever,
Not really a big fan of Macks. But when they are DD powered then I’m really a big fan of Macks.
You bet I’ll keep visiting, I check your site every day.
Thank you for all you do Eric!
Thanks friend.
Don’t I remember that you folks received a young’un a while back?
They do that. But just wait until you can drag them to truck shows! More fun!!
By the time he was 3-1/2 my grandson could name almost every truck at Macungie.
That is true! He will be six months on Saturday. Free time doesn’t exist anymore. You’re grandson sounds like a sharp kid!
Was it repairable or not viable?
Vohl is still in business. They are up to the VL series, and the units are now a self-powered attachment. https://www.vohl.ca/en/products/snowblowers
whats the old mack next to it , a western maybe gw
A single axle wrecker. More on that one soon.
My dad at Engel’s Garage, Erie, PA had a tow truck; a 1926 Stewart. The above describes it well. It had a wood cab with plate glass windows that raised up/down and held by a web strap and a brass clamp. It had single rear tires: I think it had 32×6 tires, Dad lifted a heavy truck (too heavy) and bent the frame on both sides by the front spring mounts. He stripped it down, shortened the frame, added a tandem transmission and made a tractor out of it. After several years of use, he sold it to a farmer to mount and pull a manure spreader.
Would like more information on this truck.
No, not from Kemp’s…or whatever. From a restaurant and truck collection in western NY. I took the photo…and got no credit.
Ok, my bad……. Sorry.
Eric, just erase my reply. Pissed at Autocar for stealing my shot. Looks like it happens to you, too.
Finally a good looking modern heavy Dudu conventional truck !!!!
Not just another run of the mill generic looking Aardvark.
I really like the whole front end. The grill treatment , the setback fenders and light nacelles
Now they only need to introduce a heavy dump / mixer variant that will feature steel diamond plate fenders and life will be all good again.
Retro Diesel Muscle. And Yes to the diamond plate fenders.
Hi guys.
Anyone have any pictures of the multi trucking western stars?
I admire people like him and his determination. Not an easy task, even with all the comforts of home on that tractor than most who ran them back in the day. I’ve got a lot of hours under my backside in similar tractors and even three weeks in the spring played me completely out; I didn’t want to look at another tractor seat for the rest of my life. However, I did it again and again.
Nice. I remember the Town of Skaneateles used to have one of these.
I often wonder why Ford got out of the heavy truck business myself. It was a major milestone to bring out the Louisville models in 1970 and Ford never looked back for many years. I worked on a lot of L/LN-models which were OK although the LN models could get rather cramped. They were followed by the LTL and the Aeromax; all good trucks IMHO. Then one day, they (the trucks) were Sterling, then who knows? The old saying: “good things never last,” sure rings true.
If I remember Right this is a HOPTO 5/8 YD. BACKHOE. iT WAS usually pOWERED WITH A 4-53 DETROIT.
No of the above, I installed seat belts in my 59 B-61 and my son rode to the shows in his car seat.
You are dedicated!!!
Enjoy the trip!!
International needs to build this truck not GM. all GM builds anymore is CRAP !
I’m in the process of gathering any/all info on a 1977 Road Boss 2. It was involved in an accident in Fl. in 06/’81. I have the accident report from that night with the VIN. My problem is decoding it or finding someone who can. It’s a 13 digit VIN. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Jim
Only thing better than being there myself is watching your videos Eric! Thank you for sharing your trip with us.
Dave
My pleasure Dave!
I worked for Mohr and drove the Hendricksons as well as worked on them. We at one time had the R-model and the H-model. Some had 501 gas motors in them, some were converted to DT-466, some had Cummins, Detroit 8-v and some had Detroit 6-v motors. They all had the same thing in common they road extremely rough and the cabs were extremely hot. But they held up thru the test of times. We could of put batteries in them even today and they would of run. Unfortunately the 135 year old company went out of business.
You didn’t drive a real Hendrickson unless you drove #51 like me and Leroy did, Flub. We used to have to have somebody on the job hop up on the running board to help us turn the wheel to back into a tight spot. It was a beast..
Hello to all … I recently purchased a 1976 Trojan 2000 wheel loader … ser # 20-1056 … does anyone know where I can purchase a Service Manual for it please
Hi Jim,
i just purchased a trojan 2000 ( i believe )as well . I f possible can you give me a call i have a few different questions about it.
Where is the serial number, what filters does it take , the brakes are NG
Thx
201 317-3750
Not sure how It came to be lying around at our farm in Texas, but I have a large very heavy cast iron sign with the Northwest logo. I believe it may have doubled as a weight on an excavator. I can send pictures if interested. I would be willing to sell it. Call or text Biff Burris @ Two8one, 2zero2, eighty8forty5.
Hi Eric ~ I just posted the message, below, under Mike’s message to you. I would love photos of Stewart trucks ~ The one in your blog is not coming up.
“Hi ~ I am one of Raymond G. Stewart’s grandchildren. I would love photos of Stewart trucks! I was given a ride in a Stewart firetruck in Warsaw, NY, back in 1988 (I think). I live in Western NY. There was one in a tractor museum in Cuylerville, NY, for a long time. It was a 1927 pick-up. I wish I could have known my Grandpa Ray. My aunt told me he was a very nice man…and from my reading here & there, he was highly talented engineer.”
Hey people! My father aquired a 1913 Stewart’s truck that he would like to find more info/pictures on it but were not getting far on google. Any help or direction appreciated
There is a beautifully restored one in the Richardsons truck museum in Invercargill , New Zealand, you could quite easily spend half a day in there and not see it everything in it.
My MaxxForce7 engine has been great 20K with no real problems. Its in a Monaco Vesta. I think 99% of the bad press came from the next couple generations of the 10’s and 13’s.
Hmm looking at a 12v71 old but runs attatch to compressor. Was thinking of bolting to a. Generator to provide power to a off grid subdivision full of powerless cabins . figure the total need would be for 200 cabins. any ideas as to what might bolt up to the 12v71 thanks pat
I could send you details of what we have bolted to ours? I’ll see if I can find a data plate. It is a 200KW unit delivering 415VAC 3 phase at 50hz.
Trying to figure out if that’s an old Tobin or northern block unit. Definitely not Santaro.
If I had to choose I would say Tobin as they take care of their equipment. Most of the Northern stuff was outright scrapped last year.
Riccelli scrapped all the Northern trucks and put his fleet in? Still red or all blue?
I haven’t seen Joe Riccelli in 20 years. My dad use to haul for him when his garage was on Hiawatha. Remember going to his house in Fulton.
And I don’t think it’s an R model. The offset air cleaner and long mirror brackets make me think its a DM series.
Agree!
Short nose and BBC would help to recognize !
DM 600. Cheers brother. Hope all is well .
Agree! Thanks.
Nice job Eric
Some great shots
I work for a utility company, have a purchase agreement with IH. Have had 3 engine failures within a month or two of expired warranty. 2016s. At least 25000 each and a month later had coolant in oil on all 3. They didn’t replace egr coolers because they passed a static pressure test, another 6k each. Have 3 down right now with egr coolers starting to fail. Coolant in oil. Working on diagnosis of an N10. $47000 since December and to dealer 7 times in 8 weeks. 20 codes. They say another egr coolers, would make 3rd this year. 135000 mile paperweight. New IH chassis with Cummins ordered. IH says 70 psi back pressure is normal. Only supposed to run 34 psi boost, running Up to 56. Blowing boots of dad tubes.RUN away as fast as you can!!!
Hi hoping one of you may be able to help? We have a 12V71 on an offshore gas platform in the North Sea of the UK. It’s being used as a generator and is still in use after having been originally installed out here by Phillips petroleum back in 1968. We are about to install a new digital engine controller to it but need to know how many teeth are on the flywheel. This is for a magnetic pick up for the speed controller.
Any of you guys happen to know what that figure may be?
Thank You for this coverage.. Please keep us updated
Love your videos, especially because of the commentary. I look forward to getting my mind by off the day to day work; and enjoy sitting down and watching one of your new videos- with some rare old trucks. You’ve got the voice for it, too. Keep up the good work! Thanks again.
Thank you Paul!
Great memories. Maybe they inspired your passion for these old trucks. No matter what sparked your interest, we are all the benefactors.
Wow!! That’s all I have to say.
i grew up in syracuse and many memories of the blizzard of 66. iamfamiliar with the tug hill and the north country as i was an owner operator with wt byrns motor express inthe 60s.ihave not got much walter stuff but would help with my adventures i freqented all the truck dealers in syracuse.memories of ny rte 80 and us20 lots of stuff
oakland ca. had rts buses at the airport when i landed there for the aths show in pleasanto in 2010
AC Transit should’ve had some RTSes
Love these Autocars. You don’t see these in California. Thanks for making such an effort to share these videos and informative articles, Eric. By the way-Enjoy every second with the little one; goes by so fast.
The KB is really cool. Is that a Western truck?
Yes, through and through. What a machine it must have been back in the day.
What a beauty….wonder where this old girl is sitting?
Always enjoy your postings. Many you photograph ran when they were parked, never to move again. Each must have an interesting story that probably starts with, ” I’ll get around to it later.”
Keep up the good work!
My dad was shop foreman at the Town of Manlius, and spent a lot of time behind the wheel of, underneath of, everywhere else of this very truck. I haven’t seen it since sometime in the early 80’s until I stumbled across this picture! Dad passed away last month. I know he wanted to drive that truck to scrap when the Town got rid of it back in ‘05, but since he had already retired, the town wouldn’t let him.
The age of the pull scraper isn’t quite over. There is an outfit near me that uses custom built scrapers and giant Cat Challengers. My understanding is the outfit, Nick Kosteki Excavation, is the largest fleet operator of Cat Challenger tractors, owning 39 tractors (and one John Deere). His custom scrapers are made by NDK Scrapers.
Regardless, I appreciate seeing the old scrapers!
Thanks for posting..
Eric
Do you have any more images of the pull scraper. I believe it’s a very rare Bucyrus -Eire
Model that would have been matched to a International TD-24 crawler equipped with a duel drum cable PCU.
Back in the day B-E was an allied equipment manufacturer for IH they made dozer and pull scrapers .
That scraper and the TD-24 were known
Affectionately as the Big-Red team.
Obviously when both were painted in a red scheme .
Nice find.
This crew did a street near me in the Boston area about 6 or 7 years ago that still looks great. I’d say it holds up better than traditional milling and paving. They have since done a few more streets here and I hope they do them all eventually.
The great thing about these trucks is the whole cab is aluminum. I was surprised that the 1991 White GMC Volvo semi tractor’s can was not rusted out…. I start tapping on panels. aluminum has a different sound and feel than steel. On the back of the cab where the trailer light cord had rubbed, you can see shiny aluminum. Also – these trucks are dirt cheap since it’s an odd manufacturer. However, semi engines, transmissions and axles are fairly universal.
My dad had a old 63 foot SAR boat with 6/71 gray marine he liked them better than his Gardener,s. I love how easy it was to maintain them.A GM guy down on the Tweed in NSW has some 110,s.
I’m looking for a S 7 scraper or rocker if any knows of one I would sure like to know.
Thanks
I have one available if you are still looking (s7) scraper. four seven nine four sevenseven twoseven four four.
Hello, hope someone is still out there.
I am looking at a Koehring 205 crawler crane/ dragline in British Columbia. I’d like to bring it to California. I’ve never dealt with importing anything before. This crane was obviously built in the 1970’s or earlier. A manual with the machine lists the serial number as 43914. It should have a brass plate on the mainframe behind the operators area. The rivet locations were found but the plate is gone. I have to find out where this crane was manufactured. Were the 205’s built in Canada as well as the US?. Does anyone have any way of tracing the serial number. Any help would be appreciated. Any good info on dealing with customs brokers would also be appreciated. Ehanks dave
Yes, I admit to being weird and old fashioned. A Cat and can will excavate, haul, place, in in many cases, compact all with one operator. True, maybe not as fast, but if you don’t have a big job, probably cheaper…..
I have a Cat #80 can designed for use with a Cat D8-2U and a LeTourneau LS. The Cat needs a front tire/flap/tube or the whole wheel tire assembly ( 21:00 X 24, 20 ply) which two of these in the picture may have. Hope they don’t get scrapped as there is a
market, but if they do, someone please let me know.
Wonder if this truck is available? & what location…
Hello from Denmark, I have an old Yale 2000 with 8 cylinder air cooled Deutz engine, Production year???? Can anyone tell me were these wheel loaders original build with that engine after O&K in Germany took over the Trojan ? I am looking for repair manuals for that maschine and engine, can anyone tell me whe5e I can get these?
Tks.
Of course we will be visiting. I having been build model trucks for nearly forty years now and drove for about half that so I am always looking for material for my hobby. Of course it is nice to reminisce along the way !
I try to get to your site a few times a week if not daily. Keep up the good work and wishing you and yours a Happy Thanksgiving !!
Keep on truckin, -Doug T
Greetings STEWARTworld;
I have no idea to whom I am sending this message, having only heard of Stewart trucks last week, but here goes;
I have discovered a Stewart in a barn-find. I cannot yet photograph it properly, but I do have 2 pic’s of the front end, showing rad, window glass & fender details. I’m wondering if anyone can help identify it more specifically? It has been stationary for some time, appears to have wood interior framing, and seems intact structurally, though very rusty.
Looking for parts?
Terry, Do you have any International 650 excavator parts. I’m looking for an engine.
i have a 1977 2000 took engine out to replace new converter has lots of new hoses not putting back together if intersted send email
Great blog! Just stumbled on it, what a wealth of information on a great series of engines. It leads me to ask some questions on a relatively rare (I’m told) 6-71 configuration that I maintain on the schooner ADVENTURE out of Gloucester, MA. The engine is a right hand rotation, 4 valve per cylinder, slant configuration that I’ve never seen before. Unfortunately someone ground off the serial and model numbers so obtaining spare parts is a bit of a challenge. The set-up makes the engine a dream to work on though with the blower and starter on and near the top of the engine and the valve cover at an angle and low enough so that access to the valves and injectors is very easy. I do know that the engine was rebuilt at NNSY sometime in the 70’s and was bought from Navy salvage, unused, in the early 2000’s. I’ve looked in all the sites that I can find trying to locate an engine / parts manual to no avail. Does anyone know a source of data for this configuration, and/or a way that I can back into serial number for this particular engine? I can work out the model number based on the information provided in the typical in-line upright configuration manual.
This baby runs like a champ! I want to keep her that way.
Bill Whitney
Chief Engineer
Schooner ADVENTURE
Gloucester
I remember these this engine was in the 33 ft boats it was known as a 6088 or a 6087 the ones we had n60 injectors and the long port liners it also had a 4valve head and the limting speed gov.
Great video. I think we talked about the green rims before. It is to notify the person fueling it that the truck is diesel. I think after some pictures of a truck at Trius we determined that.?
Ah yes, I remember that now. I think it was the bright green tint that was throwing me off. Maybe the color shift points to bio-diesel!
What’s going on at Syracuse dealers?
funny you should ask. As I was driving by t r e this morning I said to myself that I need to make a trip. Hopefully the weather and holiday time allow me to sneak out this weekend.
Enjoyed the video Eric. DDD, the gift that keeps on giving!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Dave
Does anyone know of an 1957 Oneida Warrior School Bus Body on a ford chassis with windows intact? Complete or part out.
Those ground effects won’t last a week!
Hello I just would like to know what ever happened to the PLOW BOOK that was going to be published about snow removal equipment of New York. I was very interested in getting a copy because I am a big fan of snow plows and have other brochures,pamphlets and books. I just want to know.
I found a name plate while building logging roads in SW Washington, has that logo on it, kind of curious about it.
The green GMC at :54 – please tell me it has a Detroit in it
Someone out there must know where this Autocar is parked?
I was really fascinated by these steam shovels growing up in the 50s and 60s. I have a hobby of collecting operating manuals for various kinds of vehicles. Any idea where I may obtain one for a steam shovel? THanks, Paul.
As a teenager I worked at a Clark Oil station in the South Chicago Suburbs. All the fuel was hauled by F.J. Sibr Trucking Co. I never saw them drive anything but Hendricksons. It had to be some kind of payload/weight advantage because those trucks were hard to maneuver and were not well suited to fuel delivery
Sweet ole Huskie ! What a nice find, what a nice rebuild.
Sales will be low unless they seed the market. Still a class 8 cab, frame and fuel tank. Nothing innovative. Looks like a ‘90s. Mid liner.
Spot on with the Midliner reference. Class7/8 medium duty truck market is jammed full of options now. It’s a crowded dirty pool to jump head first into.
Doesn’t Riccelli haul trash transfer tractor-trailers? Maybe a trash packer.
Must be a plow chassis.
Question is who’s buying so many red and blue lone stars?
Hi. Do you have any older packers. Like in the 1994 to 2003. 16yd or 18yd with cart tipper. NOT NEW TRUCKS!!!! Weight no more then 26000# & under. 13yd or 11yd would work also. New way. Heil. Tks Owner. A&A HAULING. Ashland Ohio 44805. 419 685 3613. Mike. Much appreciated.
I know this is an old post, but I recently wondered what model this Mack is with that front end. There does not seem to be much info about the RM model online. At first I thought it was a version of the DM. What got me curious was I remember a salvage yard or dump in Slatington, PA that had a Mack RM rolloff truck back in the late 1990s – early 2000s. This truck was painted white with the hood scoop and was a tandem rear axle. I never saw another one in person. What years did they produce the RM from and was the tandem rear axle version called an RMM?
How is Daimler rudderless?
Sorry, lazy writing on my part. Ford is the company struggling to find the next move.
It is a great blog, I hope you can help me my father owns a truck with a 6-71 Detroit engine with a 9-speed gearbox but we want to change it, which gearbox do you recommend?
15 speed! It will give you the best of all things. Normally you run low and high range, 10 gears. Only when you need to get a heavy load started or a steep incline would you engage ‘deep reduction’. You do not have to go to deep 5th before shifting into low range. It depends upon the situation. There is a one gear offset between deep reduction and low range except for first. Deep first is 2 gears below low first. Deep second is below low first. Deep third below low second. Deep fourth below low third and deep fifth below low fourth.
If you want to come out of deep first or deep second the upshift is to low range first. let’s say you are in deep reduction 4th. The upshift is to low range 3rd!
Now! YOU MAY NEVER PRESELECT THE DEEP REDUCTION SHIFT!!!!!! Meaning you cannot flip the deep switch while in gear then move the selector when you feel like it or lift off throttle and have it drop in. The moment you flip the switch in or out of deep – it goes! You must have the selector in neutral with the clutch in any time you flip the the switch in/out of deep.
You have a choice between a direct 1:1 ration final drive or overdrive 1:.76 ratio. What that means: A direct 1:1 ratio happens when the transmission output shaft turns at the same rate, RPM, as the input shaft. In overdrive, let’s say .76 the input shaft turns .76 of a revolution per complete revolution of the output shaft. Simply put, in the above example when the transmission input shaft driven by the flywheel rotates from 12 o’clock to 9 o’clock the transmission output shaft makes a complete revolution 12 o’clock to 12 o’clock.
You have to decide whether direct final drive or an OD final drive suits your application best. Also you can change rearend ratios to better work with a given transmission. If you do not know the rearend ration drop the driveshaft at the rearend so that the U-joint stays with the driveshaft. Look at the flat end of the shaft in the center of the rearend yoke. You will see two numbers stamped into it. Divide the large number by the smaller. That will be the ratio 3.70, 3.90, 4.11, 4.33 etc.There are a lot of them. Enjoy!
Great pictures, So many shows, so little time. Glad you have Tom in the field to keep us up to date on the latest work trucks. Thanks!
I am looking for photos of the Matlack Mack Model B that I have seen on the web. Building a G scale railroad 1/25 scale and plan on putting in a Matlack terminal. 1950’s time span. But need pictures of that b model. When I lived in Delaware I would watch them climb the grades on Naamans road Del 92 as a kid. Love those Matlack Mack Model b61’s “Pipeline on Wheels’
Nobody Mentioned that Everyone had to Pay There Own Sales Tax on those Supposedly Free Cars!!!!!
They pissed me off. They promoted and hyped that live stream event, only to announce it was a coming soon thing. I was sure they were going to announce the new truck then!
Wow! That’s one heck of a chassis!
I so wish I could’ve gone to that show!
Where are some of the old Seasons like where Gord Gets mad at truckers on the coq?
Hi. PLEASE HELP WITH KNOWLEDGE
Can you help with all this talk about a Navistar Maxxforce 7 engine in a 2013 Tiffin 32BR coach ?
Is this engine a bad deal, Should I rethink buying this beautiful coach? because of the
engine ?
It has 24000 miles on it with no problem, but I have heard bad things.
Is it a pile of junk as I have read from some people or is this just a small few ??
Please tell me the honest truth. Thanks Brian
I own a 2013 Breeze 32 BR with the Navistar Maxxforce 7 engine and bought it from a happy couple who were trading up who said they never has a problem. We have driven it 20K miles and it has performed perfectly.
If you get into the real details on this engine it appears much of the fuss is being made on the engine with the larger bore for class 8 semi’s. Rumors can get out of hand. Recommend you call Tiffin and see what they say…they are straight shooters.
Autocar with what I believe to be a Atlas rock body, great combo. Thanks for the post.
Beautiful find! Love the color combination.
Dave
Wow that is a thing of beauty!
I drive past this truck frequently. There is another nearby in Oneida. At first I thought they were the same truck.
I’ll have to keep an eye out for that one.
I have a 1970 International snowplow very similar to the photo here. Still has the original Cummins turbo diesel. Has spent its life in Colorado, so very little rust. Originally was a Colorado DOT rig for plowing the high mountain passes (10,000’ plus) of southwest Colorado. Probably went for the diesel rather than gas for much better performance at altitude.
Would like to see photos if you have them.
Not sure how to attach photos on this site, but I have some good photos of the truck.
I could listen to this all day. There is so much to like about this truck, but its history hauling steel for the WTC seals the deal.
Cam Lavin needs this photo for his snowplow headlight abuse collection. I’m not joking.. there are lots of these poor trucks out there.
I thank you because the article has told me something new. I really didn’t know this a little-realized actuality is that Mexico Federal Laws require remote plated vehicles convey Mexican obligation vehicle protection. The way you explain is very easy to understand.
It’s 1972-78 Self propelled forage harvester. It has a 3 row Corn head on. It could also have a silage head for cutting hay. I have a farmer in my neighborhood that still uses it. It is designed to pull a silage wagon. Nowadays, this type of JD harvester cuts 8 rows of silage or haylage using a 500 horse diesel at a rate faster than a man can walk.
You know how the MaxxForce engines were discontinued in 2012? What about the MaxxForce engines in other countries? I found this list that shows they still make the MaxxForce? https://www.mwm.com.br/site.aspx/meet-the-maxxforce-engines-family
Also, why doesn’t international import these engines they currently use in other countries? Are they not compliant? https://brazil.internationaltrucks.com/trucks/durastar
My first experience with a Detroit Diesel was while I was working for Shell Canada in southern Alberta. We were doing a workover. The service rig had a twin turbo 12V71. We had a rental triplex pumps with 471’s. One 471 wouldn’t start. I called Waterous in Lethbridge to come and fix the engine. Awhile later, a Guy showed up in a pickup truck. I thought he was lost and went over to talk to him. He said he was here to get our Detroit running. I was expecting a big truck with a crane, compressor, etc. I asked where his tools were. He said right here. He had a screw driver, a crescent wrench, and a pair of pliers. He said “if I can’t get her – it’s a major”. Ten minutes later he had it going. It was amazing!
Do you happen to know anything about the proving grounds just north of Topeka, Kansas?
hough h-60 payloader with a g-372 engine and im looking for a zenith model 63 carb part # 189139H2 carburetor rebuilt can you help
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Hello All, I have a ’74 Matthews with twin 8V71 TI’s. This boat has not been out in over ten years and one of the pair is stuck and won’t turn over on the starter (which has been rebuilt). The engine has run in the past and while smoking some at start up, cleaned up after about ten minutes and ran well; both ran well and have about 1800 Hrs. My thought is to try a circulate oil through the system with some kind of external pump but don’t know where to start, and would really appreciate some advice. Also, is it possible to soak the pistons with some diesel before turning over? And also a thought of making a long, kind a breaker bar to attach to the front pulley(?) to break it loose ( although that bar might have to be twenty feet long!?) And if this is not the right forum to post on please point me in the right direction, but you all seem the most open to questions. Thanks for your good advice, Murph
I am almost 80 now and live in fla had a building moving co out of oil city in oceanside ny for many years when colonial closed I bought the grease trucks at rockaway blvd. plant I kept one and I still have the engine in a restored 64 ford f350 here at my yard in jacksonville fla.
My father, Tony Peluso, was part of the local 3 electricians that worked out of College Point/Long Island City/Astoria and helped maintain various cement plants and barges etc.
I think I took pictures of this very truck back in 1994. At that time, it had the original headlights. It was parked in front of the old International dealer Marshall & Houseman on Rt. 5 in Sherrill.
If it is the same truck I am glad it survived! Thanks Eric.
Nice pictures Jeff! Looking good out there. This is a far cry from when I was working for the Town of Sullivan doing paving jobs with our 1955 Blaw-Knox Express paver powered by a Continental Red Seal flathead six gas engine.
Eric,
I was at SU the opening year of the Dome. No Walt then. Forty years later now, no Walt again. Thanks for being there to photograph the “Giant on the Hill”. Wish I had the time to be there when “Walt” was Big as Life! Thanks again for taking the time Man. Hope you and your family are well during this crazy time.
Mark
Nice! I agree, these trucks would sell quite well…..minus any MaxForce motor.
A zombie thread, but I just noticed it. We manufacture both roll-off and lugger truck bodies so work with a lot of owners and operators on what they need.
Its all about the payload. If you are hauling lighter loads – like a say rubbish or skeletons from metal processing, a roll off is the way to go because you run out of room in the bin before you hit the maximum weight. On the other hand if the load is more dense, say slugs from a stamping operation, you hit the weight limit long before you fill the bin. In that case the lugger can carry more because it gets more weight forward over the front axle than a roll off.
For even more weight, you can use a lugger body with a slider – a device that slides the lugger bin forward when its on the truck. This increases payload substantially when combined with a 4 axle chassis.
Mike
I have a 8v71 Detroit mariner gearbox and it doesn’t engages it take some time to engages i have fitted new oil pumps the back one and front one(hydrolic)
But is still very slow to engages I’m on
The Nile river and not much is available
In South Suddan eney advise
Good day,
Can you please help me, I need a power divider on a 769B Cat.
Can you please assist with a price and do you have one in stock.
Nice road trip video Eric!
You should have stopped by!
Anyone have any idea why my max 10 is pissing out antifreeze from exhaust. I know they use for regeneration but why too much comes out as soon as truck starts. Just starting out of the blue. Only 100000 on the truck. No dash lights are on. Thank you
Nuts about the Goose
Yo estoy buscando pieza para compral de white estoy recontrullendo el mio
Who would have ever thought you could pull start a truck with a Crown Vic?
Great video.
Dave
Nice trucks!
I love International trucks.
4900 must be Van Slyke
My buddy has the same truck for sale. You can contact me and I’ll forward your interest to him.
I remember seeing this truck when it was owned by The Onondaga County DPW
It was on a recovery job back in the early 80’s pulling a Cat #12 -G grader with a wing plow out of a ditch on Rt 173 near OCC. Observed on my morning bus ride into 8th grade The graders rear tandem drive wheels had slid off into the ditch durning the previous nights snowstorm.
On the ride home that afternoon the Sheriffs department had the road blocked and this truck had just pulled the grader out of its sticky situation. When the sheriffs opened up the road the bus passed with my face was glued to the frosty glass observing all the action.
Hello, do you have an old model 1970-1972 Brockway truck for sale?
We have a 1972 for sale
My father had deli off Vernon blvd / 34 Avenue just down from the yard and can remember the guys with the trucks stopping to get sandwiches and drinks, my grandparents lived two blocks away from there we always passed by. I’m 63 and remember it like yesterday. Thanks for the post of pictures,if you ever get one restored I would. I’ve to see it.
I hooked my battery but nothing is coming on I’m working on a 01disel but with 4 battery’s help Detroit engine 60 series
That look more like an LT than an LJ.
The owner told me it was an LJ – he was very knowledgeable about old equipment. He also had a CAT cable D7, a CAT 955 track loader, and a CAT 922 that he had restored,
hi jim here i have owend a 471 detroit for some years rockford clutch behind it my question is this serial no on right side top of the biock is 7 digit number rd below i found 72 vintage engines and up i think i could own a very early detroit 1938 to 1945 thanks jim
Glad to see that you made the trip to Gerhart Machinery Eric. It was a great day for a show and the collection of trucks that were brought out did not disapoint!
Dave
I know of one pickup truck an old dodge 3/4 ton that had a 4_53 installed it was up against the governor at 50 mph!in high gear i dont know the rear end ratio but the guy came into my freinds shop looking for a faster set of gears for it!
The old Western Star sign is probably from when Frank Frabrizio had the dealership near the ballpark.
I am looking at a 2013 int truck with the maxi force 7 it is bad the block needs replacing, i found a used motor for 9 grand, so 14 grand plus install, is that a good deal?
Thanks for letting me ride along. Enjoyed the tour. More fun than watching the Giants lose another game today. A trip down memory lane for me. I peddled Coca Cola in the Syracues area the first half of 1966 from the plant on West Genesee. I was asigned a 1956 Ford F-6 with a 6 cylider and 4 speed, beverage body with fiberglass sliding doors. The plant had been shifting to Internationals with newer paint schemes Red w/white.
The good old days!
I worked for Fred Burrows Trucking back then and remeber this truck well.
I did too from 1982 – 1987.
I have a N.W. crawler crane. The ID plate is missing. I think it’s a 18 or 25. It’s smaller than a 40. I have the boom also. The foot is 16’ & the crown is 16’. In put welcome.
The Pirini Construction decals are new for this year.
I just purchased two IH trucks. A 2011 4300 with a MF7 with 160k and about 5300 engine hours
And a 2010 4400 with a MF DT motor 92k and about 7300 hours.
Both trucks at least for the moment seem to be running good. Neither of them is by any stretch of the imagination is a powerhouse.
Im going to be changing fluids and filters and hope for the best so it seems.
Id ask for advice here but Im thinking the only thing you guys would tell me is to put for sale signs back on them.
It’s probably because I’ve read “Mike Mulligan and his Steam Shovel” too many times but I swear that it looks like the Northwest is smiling!
Great coverage as always Eric! Thank you for making the effort to capture and post this.
Dave
I grew up with NW Engineering loved the it was the first great excavating
I wonder where they are today….
Thank you for posting them Eric. Imagine the stories those trucks could tell!
Dave
One of Larry’s friends bought the Walter. It went down to New Jersey and from what I’ve heard the engine is bad and is going to be replaced.
Wow! I would have bet good money it went to the scrap heap.
I am looking at purchasing a 2012 Int with the 6.4L Maxxforce can not find much for reviews Any suggestions
I worked at Northwest Engineering after I graduated from high school – I started September 22 1966 and worked for Mr Woodsum in downtown Chicago – had some great memories. I also worked for a Mr Holland.
Brings back great memories of going to the New England Truck Show in Boston with my Dad as a kid back in the 80’s Eric. I always had a great time at those shows collecting product flyers and climbing up into the cabs of all the new trucks.
I would love to find out about the trucks
My friend sent me these photos a few years ago. He said they have since been scraped. Sad news.
Hey Dave is there still a show in Boston?
I have no idea Andy. I left after college in ‘94 and my parents moved to Florida in the last 10 years. A quick search for “New England Truck Show” didn’t turn up anything that reminded me of the show I used to go to.
I went to the show in Boston many years ago, by that point it was a glorified vendors market. The local antique truck club had a small display and there were a few modern rigs. It was not worth the 4+ hour drive IMO.
My grandpa had a Diamond Rio in the 60s East Coast Hauled produce all over coolest truckI wish I knew what style it was and what model with a single sleeper in the back semi blow air horn drove truck his whole Independent
If you have any pictures I might be able to help you figure out the model.
Você tem todos catalogados todos os modelos que saíram ano a ano?
Is the NYSDOT going the way of the T-Way with Western Stars? New plows for a new year and decade?
Not that I have heard. I passed through Stadium International in Watertown this fall and there was a very large supply of NYSDOT trucks waiting for the journey to the upfitter.
The VHD presumably for the Town of Kirkland, NY is nice, like to see a snap shot of their entire fleet.
Anthony….my Dad worked with Generoso Pope in the 1930’s to early 40’s…as Counsel..I would like to contact you directly…his name was Frank Carbone…..hope to hear from you….Steve Carbone..
Anthony…this site doesn’t allow me to put my email …maybe phone number this will get through..310 470 3371…thanks…steve
Hello
I am looking for outline dimensions for the Northwest 80D. Does anyone have access to them or can tell me where I might find them?
Northwest Engineering Company photographic archive Volume 3 is now out & available for purchase at Buffalo Road Imports.
i am looking for 550 parts or a hole hoe
Did you ever find some place that has parts?
Have one running
I have a 41 Walter snow fighter and cant make out info from your list. It is a FKMS, serial # 416422, any info would help,
please contact me. I have a picture of my uncle driving one of these similar trucks from a LONG time ago I think 1950 It says Autocar Diesel
As a child I was terrified by a DD powered GMC 9500 bearing down on me. I will never forget that sight and sound.
I saw a beautifully restored R-190 at Paquette’s Farmall Museum in Leesburg, Florida many years ago. They had the windshield decorated with eyes like in the movies Cars, which my kids loved. Never knew such a truck existed before that day,
I love those monster v-plow trucks with wing plows on each side. Like the walter snow fighter.
Do you know of any for sale? 1970s or newer.
Do you know the brand name for those monster v-plows? I want to search for one for sale.
Paul, My dad worked for LTL. His name was Nelson Wheeler out of Indianapolis terminal. He drove a 1978 Ford #208. If anyone else has any other memorabilia, I’d luv to have some… especially a model tractor. Thanks, Nelson Wheeler II.
Winross made 2 tractor trailer die cast one was a single axle white with gray trailer 40 foot and newer ford tandem axle 40 foot trailer white i found both on ebay sadly winross is out bussines I worked 3rd shift check lane / grease rack took care of road drivers
My Dad worked out of Oil City we have a ton of original LTL phottos and prints, a thermos and coffee cups.
I own one of these beasts, and love it. Parts are available since international made so much farm equipment with the same engines, just find a diesel mechanic who knows their stuff. It’s definitely a loud engine lol, but it can move some dirt and push over trees like nothing else.
I ran that shovel for about 18 years. I spent alot of time digging shale at hydraulic press brick. And I changed alot of cables on that old girl. I kinda miss her.
Myron Shevel had a personal loan of $8 million dollars from NEMF as of bankruptcy date in 2019. The court / judge allowed the monies in the bank , receivables , over the objections of the.creditors to be used for assembling the motor truck equipment and other assets before the Auction sale, Myron Shevel agreed , at that time,, to repay the 8 million to NEMF. During the proceedings there was no mention seen / witnessed that showed Myron Repayment the loan. It is a known fact that Myron and his Daughter own extensive property in NJ , NY , PA and FL which could / should have been placed as collateral to partially cover the known 8 million collectible.
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Thank you for this history!!!
I worked next to a Diamond Reo Used Truck Lot in the early 70’s. I spent my lunch hour roaming that lot, sitting in those beautiful trucks – there was NEVER anyone in the sales office so I had the place all to myself.
Good morning
I own this Autocar sold at the auction
Is there a supplier that may have old
inventory for frame and other parts ?
Looking for the crossover piece between
frame rails, between rears Hendrickson
Thankyou
1953 nelson wheel loader need tie rod end where can I get parts
have 5500 trogan loader wont move runs great oil drained and filled old oil clean help
Nice to see a fresh post Eric! At least you didn’t put this up on April 1st as then we would have to question it…
Congrats on the upcoming 10 year anniversary! Time flies when you are having fun.
I made it to the Brockway Museum at the Central New York Living History Center today for the first time. What a great collection! If you are in the Cortland NY area be sure to stop by.
Dave
Is this truck in syrscuse
I have a maxxforce 9 year 2014 no problem until now someone have a one like mine ?? Maybe this engine is good ? Or I just a lucky??
Are you sure it’s the same truck Eric? It’s very similar for sure, but a number of details jump out at me as different – classic bubble gum type light on the cab, Mack mirror, diamond plate battery box cover, black hydraulic tank, headlights mounted higher, cab shield brace removed, marker light on fender…
Hmm, some good points there but I still think it’s the same truck. Maybe they took the accident repairs as a chance to change some things around. It was at the shop for over 6 months.
I would like to see this truck for modeling project
It was in Syracuse at Allied Spring for about a week. It’s gone now.
If only the 459 was able to be started and driven out under her own power like the R700…
Great video Eric! Looking forward to seeing more about this truck’s restoration and more photos from the property that it came from.
Love the music, great soundtrack
Great day, Great video, Great save.
Thanks maybe they would tell me
Ohh wow I like how it blew coal over everybody that’s so sexy
Oh yes I love garbage trucks with lots of smoke and noise when they sit there and compact
that mack does sound sexy. I’d love to be behind it in the black smoke haha
I like stacks like that dump that stuff high in the air lol
Wow that is a cool exhaust pipe I want to stand by it all day long
woww I like all the black smoke. If I was there my exhaust pipe would be pointed up too hahaha
oh yes pulling tractors are hot I bet this one pollutes bad out of those two stacks haha
for many years hendrickson used the same cab as international and so di fwd and others diamond etc.
My dad, Frank l kelly was Vice President for colonial. Was on tap pan z bridge during construction.
Glad to see that you made it to the show Eric! Looking forward to seeing your photos and videos when you can make the time.
Hope all is well in Central NY.
I stated as apprentice mechanic in 1967 at the new garage they built next to the assembly building 24 bays they hired like 6 young guys for this huge garage in Lyons Illinois at best times building 3-5 trucks per week hand built also huge chassis for crane and fire trucks still building fire trucks and some trucks in Grand Rapids Michigan now company called HME equipment great place to work for back in 60-70s family got old and sold out truck was a beast not sure if HME is still in business…..
Yes the days are gone for variety with custom costs. We’ve moved to grey uniforms, standing 6 feet apart and following in line, but not to offend anyone. The electric non- operator transport is around the corner, they have planned to do away with us as “obsolete”.
So now the question is will Preston be taking photos of this truck at the 2051 ATHS National Show and posting it to DDD.
Nice to see the recent content Eric! I appreciate your efforts to share all of the great images and video that you capture.
Thanks Dave! The truck shows of the future will be a much different place!
Great video Eric. I was wondering if you would be making the trip after being at the ATHS show in VA. I was able to spend most of the day Saturday at the show and had a great time catching up with friends of my Dad and others that I have met on BMT.
Looking forward to seeing more coverage!
Dave
Oh I had this show booked in the calendar for years! No way I was missing it.
Ruston dump must be for one of their locations down south. Stone slinger for Kinsella?
That’s the idea. It seems like they spec’d a truck that can work in all of the regions. Kinsella is a strong bet for the slinger.
J.A. Riggs Co. of Alabama also has a CAT powered Autocar — my color of a B&W photo from 1962 courtesy of Riggs Co. —– https://www.flickr.com/photos/14024074@N05/51278922113/sizes/l/
Eric, this is a old Air Force P-26. SEMO is the company that made the 5000 gal. water tank. The new P-26s are 4000 gallon. All are 4×6 wheel drive. The P -18 is a 6×6 International Paystar 5000 /KME 3000 gal with pump included. A real beast. They came desert tan, OD green, safety yellow/ green. I don’t think that I have ever seen one red.
Great info Mark. Thanks!
Im trying to establish a reasonable value for a 1960 Autocar DC87D and a 1969 Autocar DC64D Dump. Both have above average restorations. Can you recommend a source i can contact or Internet site?
Unlike classic cars the classic truck marketplace varies greatly in prices with no single authority helping to provide guidelines or set prices. To come up with any idea you will have to do your own homework. I would suggest browsing through the marketplace on the ATHS website, the numerous Facebook pages dedicated to classic trucks, and even visiting some of the commercial truck sale website as they often have older trucks for sales. You may have to just test the waters with a price you set and see the response. Good luck!
Porter greetings. I would love to know more about the voltage system specs. I believe these were 12/24 volt systems..start on 24 but run on 12. I just don’t know much about that and is something I would like to learn about.
I have a 30 dh excavator and can’t find any information on it.
where can i buy one with bud hubs
I have a Yale 1900 and need to find the serial number where is it
This has to be the best site of diesel trucks that I have seen online. I just hope the site never ends. This brings back memories of my youth when most of my neighbors had heavy haul trucks. Keep on making great videos for us all to see and enjoy. DIESEL FORCE RULES.
Does anyone have experience with the navistar N9 engine? I have a 2015 international 4400 series we use to haul block/shingles. We’ve had nothing but emissions & injector problems.. any advice? Is a 2001 International 4400 DT466 a better route? Thanks!
I think I saw that Walt is still in the area while awaiting his next assignment. While traveling Route 81 between Syracuse and Watertown over the weekend I spied his distinctive tracks, carbody and boom sections complete with the “Buckner” logo resting in a field on the east side of the interstate. I’ll have to have my camera ready next time I speed by at 65 MPH.
That is definitely a 8 cylinder Detroit. It has to be a 8v71. DD introduced the 92 series in 1974, so it has to be a 71 series to be a 1972 model truck.
Hi Eric, Do you know what Fire Department was the original owner of the COE fire tanker that Baldwin now owns? FDs Brockways are a rare breed of Huskie. A Fire Huskie! And that particular Huskie is Saulsbury. Another company sent to the history books of NYS. Thanks for attending the show. Mark
I am also looking to purchase a MINT 2012 Tiffin 28BR with 20,600 miles on it, I have run the vin and it is the Max force 7 6.4 V8WH produced on Aug 17th 2011 (Not sure what the WH means)
And when we were getting reading for the test drive it appeared the coolant level was low and we added 1.5 gal… we do not know where the coolant went. If this common???
Mike in Washington state
Mike,
I’m looking at buying a a motor. 2012 year model Monaco, Diplomat 43′.
Engine:
9.3L MAXXFORCE 10 diesel engine with 405HP, 1,250 lb.-ft of torque
Did you buy the Tiffin that had the Maxxforce? If so, has it worked out oaky?
That AP19 Autocar was owned by Marino Crane in Middletown Conn. They purchased it from Gerosa and restored it in their shop. They did a re-power, removing the Detroit and replacing it with a KTA Cummins. The hitches were for the Goldhofer trailer it pulled. I was fortunate to work for R.D. Clark of Cromwell Ct. and was on the crew that hauled that truck to the hundredth anniversary of Autocar show in 1997. Great video, thanks.
Thanks for the info Bill. Marino was on the tip of my tongue the entire time.
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Tanks David. I kan always kount on u!
This as a continuation of Diamond Reo. Could not use DR name for some reason. Contact Joe Whitman at Whitman Custom Chassis. Contact Joe on his Facebook page.
Pretty cool, seeing as I have S/N 6498R myself! Got ours from Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, and the Flink rollover plow came with it! It was quite a chore to drive home, but Oskah, as he was proudly dubbed, sits in our driveway right now. Definitely a beast of beasts, but quite a lot of fun to talk about and show off.
Would love to exchange some pictures and stories as well as information if you’d like, please contact me through my email!
Hi William I actually just picked up a WT2206 myself. It was remanned in 1987 has a serial number 7045. I found out based on serial number it was originally manufactured in 1960. It has the 1693TC motor and 700hrs on it since the reman. It was based in Colorado Springs based on the door markings, bought it from the Mounds IL police department and they got it out of the Red River Army depot. I also have a 1952 W712 airforce/navy plow. It’s pretty cool to preserve the history of these old Rigs. Appreciate any photos or info you have.
Did your 2206 truck have air brakes ?
What does an 80d weigh approximately set up as a dragline if that matters
Just a ballpark
I have driven by this truck 100s of times and always wondered. Thank you so much. I cross the bridge just to see it ha ha.
i”m interested of byind both trucks
i like to buy both trucks
I’m looking at a dump truck with a 9.3 international. It’s a 2005 model. Is this the same engine everyone is having problems with or was it built before the all the emissions requirements?
My dad worked out of the Oil City terminal. He drove a Cabover White 7400 with a 350 Cummins. His tractor was a twin screw truck number #972.
Most nights he would choose a run to Cleveland or Indianapolis.
That was a real pulling truck.
My dad worked out of the Oil City terminal. He drove a Cabover White 7400 with a 350 Cummins. His tractor was a twin screw truck number #972.
Most nights he would choose a run to Cleveland or Indianapolis.
That was a real pulling truck.
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I was a heavy truck mechanic for a leasing company back in the 80’s. I believe we received some of the first 9670’s made. I liked them. Liked being up high while driving them.
It is a Sterling built by a guy in Kansas City who received permission from White trucks to use the name. Most trucks were built for railroads. I met the guy in the late 70’s when I dropped in on him. He was planning other trucks too. He had a concept for a Euro style COE with a Deutz engine.
Thanks Brian. I thought the hood emblem looked like the old time Sterling logo but brain didn’t trust my eyes.
I bought a hd21 cheap, don’t know anything about it , got it running and move 70 ft strait couldn’t get it to turn before it started to run out of fuel heard something about the fuel system has to due with it turning , huhhhhh ????
Think the fuel supply ran through the torque convertors?
Eric,
Thanks for soliciting an answer who built the D&H truck.
Hugh
My father Michael Gentile Junior was the oiler at College Point and his brother Anthony was the engineer my uncle Freddy was the engineer on Zerega Avenue and my cousin James was his fireman my Uncle Jerry morgro was the shipper at the motor plant in Long Island City or Astoria whatever it is and then later moved on to Eastchester dock where he became a shipper in the late 60s early seventies I was a concrete inspector I worked at Colonial 30th Street 151st Street Eastchester dock College Point. My grandfather was friends with the Generoso Pope Sr. My grandfather Michael Gentile Sr organized The Hod carriers the shippers The Batchers and the laborers in all the concrete plants and asphalt plants in New York City locals 1175 and 1176. He also organized the night Watchman who watched over the plants at night.
My father, Tony Peluso, was part of the local 3 electricians that worked out of College Point/Long Island City/Astoria and helped maintain various cement plants and barges etc.
My father, Tony Peluso, was part of the local 3 electricians that worked out of College Point/Long Island City/Astoria and helped maintain various cement plants and barges etc.
I was always told that all the trades took great pride in working for the company.
I knew your dad well as a kid ..he worked with my dad “Nino” for many years..
By any chance are you related to Mike and Skinny Gentile in College Point..?
Worked with James when he was at at NYC Ports and Terminals too..
with Joe Miressi ..
My dad worked at the Lansing Diamond Reo plant for many years until they went bankrupt in 1974. He worked as an arc welder there, but probably did as much tool and die as he did welding. Sadly he was left out of work at the age of sixty when they closed– and because of his age had a hard time finding another job that would hire him. He finally got hired on at GM (and made a lot more money there)– but he always talked about the beautiful Diamond Reo trucks he used to help build.
sir/ma’am,
I am looking for a 1959 Wayne school bus passenger side rear window.
Any help would be appreciated
thanks
Bob
Looking for headlight trim for 1959 diomond T
My father Sal palazzolo worked and drove a concrete truck # 1051. I still remember that # on top of the water tank. He would let me ride with him and it was something I’ll never forget. I watched him shift with the sweat pouring down his face. The whole neighborhood work rattle when we came down the street. We were not allowed to ride in the truck with him. He would tell me to duck down when we entered the plant. I’m so fortunate that he is still here with us and having dinner with him today. We live in Tampa bay Florida. He will be 92 this year. I remember him comming home late many nights when he was poring cement at the World Trade Center. Great memories.
I have a r158 IHC school buss with some broken glass and the engine gone.
Remainder of buss looks pretty good, considering….
Where would I look for a buyer and what would be a fair price.
Wanted to know more about the diesel engine stamped with CHROME MOLY on the block ,it came with my Diamond t wrecker 969a, this is Suhas Tingre from India
Hi my company started with a 204a loader then 304, then 3 3000, 4000, 5500, 6000. All did a great job I bought 3500 also great for gravel pit use. Did our own repairs. Been to pavilion, Batavia many many parts runs. Very good company to deal with. Great memories. Thanks
I have a 1985 1900Z that I love. Can anyone tell me what type of transmission they had?
Engine and Hydraulics are powerful from the start. Transmission is fine for 20 second then can barely turn the wheels.
Hey OG’s. Just came across this forum. Great reading about the 15 yd,13 yd,etc. Any body remember the Elliot Ness,and the Zepplins. The Autocar Dumps,with the 318’s,and the two knobs.
Have a t 24 1952 d 8 or 9 motor an transmission great shape head refurbished recently for sale make offer
Just bought Austen western grader . Ser number H5186 . 6cyl gas start/ diesel run .Any body know moldel this is ?
Hi Eric. I never noticed before but I am pretty sure that Fleetstar dump in picture 2 once belonged to Madison County Landfill. If so, it was a 1968 and was owned new by the Town of Brookfield.
If I recall correctly it had NYSDEC asset tags in the cab.
I’m not from the northest, but I was wondering what happened to Gerosa hauling and crane company? I can’t find much about them on the internet. Those photos of their trucks and trailers are amazing. Did work dry up for them? DOT limitations on their trucks? Did the crane division close down? I loved the colors on the equipment.
I was thinking of what a monster job it would be to prep and paint this thing but then I realized “why?”
Haha, so true. It certainly seem more natural in its current state.
Where can I see “The Roll of Drums”
Eric, The hood mirrors that you don’t like I have been seeing on automated trucks. Also regular equipment on Japanese Home trucks. It’s the place to put cameras or sensors out on the front of a truck. Electric is only part of the story! Small steps! Diesel is not dead yet!!!
Ah, a good place for them I suppose.
Now I know where the term “Tilt Cab” came from.
In 1927 Northwest is said to have entered into a license agreement with Attendu Diesel, Ltd, according to a newspaper article of the time – would anyone have any more information about that? Did Northwest ever make or contemplate making their own Diesel engine? Researching it from the Attendu perspective……
Há um lindo Diamond num museu aqui perto, é um T36, ano 1958. Foram comprados 3 desses caminhões pela prefeitura da cidade de São Paulo. Tenho fotos dele, se precisar.
Um grande abraço a todos, sou pesquisador de caminhões no Brasil!
One thing about old Detroit error just when you think you’ve seen them all,a new setup appears that you’ve never heard of,last week I saw an old 8v92 with electronic injectors,,,this is news to me but I saw it!
After being discharged from the army I tried to get a job with Gerosa with their sheet rock division But you had to be between 25 and 30 years old I did end up meeting one of their best drivers Jimmy Jordan .. he took oversize loads all over the New York area and when he retired from the Teamsters he started an escort business he escorted me several times and was a true professional and a real gentleman he died many years ago
In the early 90’s i was introduced to an Autocar Dump truck with a Volvo engine, Volvo 14 speed transmission and Volvo T Ride suspension. A year or two later I needed another truck . I found a 1994 White Gmc similar to the Autocar,to suit my needs and ready to go,basically the same truck ordered by the same salesman . I questioned the parts availability and they assured me there was no problem. They gave me a brochure that said if you do not get the part you need within 24 hours it will be free of charge. I bought the truck and it has suited my needs well. I have had numerous problems with dealer incompetence and parts availability which violated their guarantee. Now my truck needs the clutch replaced and Volvo says it is not available. Volvo goes out of their way to make sure that no one can cross reference or undermine their inept parts program .Now they promise parts for 15 years. I did not know my truck came with an expiration date. Do I have any legal recourse? Lonny Brady 1994 White GMC Vin . 828615.
I Drove Autocar Dump trailer for about
6 years the only one they ever had is it still with Fleet of older trucks the early 70’s.
Wow. People still looking for Daytons? I just did a tire cleanup in my backyard and crushed 800 of them to get the tire off the rim. Sorry guys!
Did your 2206 truck have air brakes ?
In 2003, Tenco purchased Vohl’s snow removal equipment division. In 1999, they had also purchased SMI (formerly Sicard), thereby ending the once-ubiquitous, dedicated (truck-blower combined vehicle) snowblowers from Canadian streets. See:
https://tenco.ca/about-us/
Today’s public works departments and private contractors rarely possess any Sicard, SMI, or Vohl DV904s. I have not seen any vintage Sicards operating during Montreal area winters since the mid-to-late 1980s nor have I seen any Vohl DV904s since the 1990s. City workers have told me that the Vohls were a pleasure to operate, but were much more expensive than the Sicard/SMIs.
Fortunately, one generous public works attendant let me pry off some Sicard name plates from the sides of their rusting, ready to be scrapped blowers and I’ve been using them as souvenir paper weights ever since.
Nice to have both the “Senior” and Junior Sicard Snowmaster name plate on my desk after decades of having seen and heard their un-muffled machines’ ear-splitting roar! They’d likely be banned today due to reports of hearing loss experienced by their long-suffering drivers!
Lots of great vintage Sicard photos can be found online. Strange there has never been a die-cast model of a snowblower, although it may well exist somewhere.
It took a long time for public works and private contractors to upgrade to the more practical front-end-loader-attachment-type blowers.
Still, the most impressive blowers are those used to clear mountain highways and for airport runways, including American and Swedish-made models.
UL
If you know where to look, you can still find SMI’s and Vohls running today. Larue also ended up making a similar product to SMI blowers, which they still offer a modern version of.
Yes, I have indeed seen the odd Sicard/SMI blower still operated by suburban and small town public works and contractors. Depends on how well-maintained they were over several winters.
The Larue is such a close copy of a late model Sicard/SMI dedicated blower that, from a distance, one could easily confuse the two.
I stumbled across this Idaho Norland blower video (see link below) with a steerable rear axle. Clearly very effective on corners! Not sure if Sicard/SMI or Larue ever manufactured that type. Not necessary today, though, as front-end loaders with blower attachments are more practical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsjYrD-gVU
EMD diesels have a unique sound of their own; at idle (275 rpm) they have a distinctive “thum-thum-thum-thum-thum-thum-thum-thum” beat with a continuous tone “whine” of the Roots blowers superimposed over; some fans refer to EMD engines have a chant. When I was much younger I worked in a lumber yard across the street from the local PRR rail yard, and the white noise sound of an idling EMD 12-567 or 16-567 was a constant, welcome companion.
My grandma has a whole one at her place
Has 36″ bucket,5′ cleaning bucket an a 5 tine bucket for lifting concrete ditch mad out of t1 steel it’s on rubber tires not tracks
I can get pics for yeah later on
This collection of bill craib
Was it in NY? Route 22 near Stephen Town?
Yes, that was the collection.
In 1965 I learned how to drive on a Hendrickson tractor with a dump trailer. 180 Cummins with a twin stick 4X4. A year later I got one with a 318 Detroit Diesel and a 13 speed over air shift. What a difference
Snow-based updates like these are just perfect. You won’t find updates quite as good as these anywhere else.
Hello
Is this Truck for sale?
call me 209 666 5437
Thanks
Saul – We have your core quote but your voicemail is turned off.
Awesome Rig! Is there any information on this truck? Any chance it’s still for sale?
My name is Frank A.Schillaci . I am 87 years old .I am the owner of the south James st. Muck lands 200+ acres . owner of old H 550 Hopto excavator, Michigan loader, mack dump truck etc. Would like to talk to you about more history. 315 271 4490 À
South James st Rome new york
Looks to have a replacement body and maybe even a different plow based on color. Still gettin’n it done though!
Totally. These all had steel bodies originally. One of three still left in operation!
How would I go about figuring out the age of a diamond Rio emblem. Part number?
CAN anyone tell me the mount differences . length, width, height ect of the 8v71 and the 8v92, thinking about a conversion in my bus.
can anyone help with the id of this ENGINE, SPECS, TIMING, INJECTORS ECT. 8VA-431743 / 7087-7940 THANKS
Great video Eric. Thank you for posting!
What is a low or tall block design 6-71?
Many thanks Eric and Mike. I am a heavy truck fan, born in late Jan 1953. I grew up in Hempstead, NY in the Village of Hempstead proper. For the Nassau county roads, we had Walter Snow Fighter snow plow trucks with 22 in or possibly 24 in disc wheels (hard to tell), all which were painted pumpkin orange and dark blue, with orange colored dump body and orange colored disc wheels and blue bearing cap covers. These trucks were really nice, but when I was 8 or 9 years old, I never saw front or rear differential solid axles on the Walter trucks until 4 years ago when I read an article on the patented Walter drive assembly, wow, it was a great design. I always wondered where the hell are the differentials!? Anyway, all of these had huge plows, and Waukesha model WAK 1,197 CID 6 cyl. gas engines in them my favorite truck gas engine. I’d guess the model 33,000 Lb. capacity. Therefore, I’d guess these were Walter model FWUL trucks, all had single rear axles and manual transmissions. The exhaust pipe came up vertically thru the top of the hood and turned up and then 90 deg. toward the to top of the cab where the muffler was mounted. They were actually very quiet trucks considering the WAK engines, so I’d say the muffler system was a good design. In later years, maybe 15 years later the Nassau County Police Dept. bought a big FWD tandem axle two truck, a 6X6, with a WAK gasoline engine, and manual transmission. It, too was blue and orange, but with FWD cast spokes all painted blue, with blue cab. The wheels, however were small, maybe only 20 in OD, mybe they were 22 in OD, but the truck was big was about 150 ft away from me stopped at a red light. It was, very, very quiet considering it had the bid WAK engine in it. In the early 1970’s Hempstead Volunteer Fire Dept. (covered 4 sq. miles), took delivery of a Young Crusader chassis, single axle truck fitted with a Pitman 85 ft. Snorkel boom (two sections), and single rear axle, with Waukesha WAK 1,197 CID 6 cyl. gasoline engine and Allison automatic transmission (maybe 4 speed with overdrive(?)). It was the only gasoline powered truck newly purchased at the time. It was a really noce truck, but was seemingly slow in acceleration. It like the sound of it when it was in highest gear moving fast down Peninsula Blvd. with no red lights, just cruising with that bif WAK with a deep, base throbbing sound, music to my ears. Later came Mack CF600 pumpers with Maxidyne 673 CID diesel engines, and my favorite, the latest in 1973 or 1974, a new Ward LaFrance 1,500 GPM or 2,000 GPM pumper, with Cummins NHC250 diesel engine and 4 speed Allison automatic transmission, a really fast truck. I loved the sound of that Cummins NHC250 over the sound of a Mack 673 CID diesel engine, even though the Mack 673 diesel engine was a very rugged, well designed engine.
What did they cost new?
I have a running 59 fabco for sale if anyone is interested
I saw the video over at YouTube and hoped that you would post it over here too Eric. I enjoyed hearing Preston adding color commentary in the background
Interesting to see a Big Bud in NYS. I was under the impression they were more of a Midwestern brand. Looked as if it was pulling well.
First time I’ve seen a Unimog with a plow on the three point hitch. Definitely a neat piece to catch in action.
Yes, I was under the same impression. Cool machine to see in action. It was effortless in the field!
Sweet! I was told my comment was too short so now I’m adding letters
Great video. I’ve spent lots of time in Schoharie/Cobleskill area so it’s really cool to see that there is stuff like this so close. Live on LI.
Ray Slagle’s startlingly bold 1959 Autocar DC102.
Love the Detroit mix Eric – especially the turn and burn footage!
Great photos from Macungie again this year Eric! One of these years the stars will align and I’ll make it back up there in person.
Hopefully so! You really can’t go wrong with this show.
The buses were a nice surprise. But you have to love the blue Brigadier, those GMCs seemed perfectly suited to a DD.
That Power Wagon school bus I don’t know what to think
Good aftanoon,
I enjoyed this write up of the Nelson Wheel loader , i presently own a 150d & 200d. They are a unique machine, and i would like to find this loader and purchase an save from a scrap yard if it still exist. i would greatly appreciate any assistance.
thank you for ur time.
Old Northern Readymix or Van Slyke Macks? Truck numbers on bumper.
I need to the dimenions of the hood area of a RD-220 International semi-tractor
I am trying to remember the name of the Female Truck Driver who used to race Big Rigs. Not NASCAR racer Shawna Robison. I keep finding her in searches.
Hello anyone, I have a Stewart chrome grill with 2 headlights attached from possibly a 1934 flatbed truck that my Dad used to carry his welder. It is from a truck that was scrapped. I took the grill for memories. I live outside Buffalo, N.Y. I would like to find it a good home. I can send pictures. Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated. Thank you, Allan
The engine is not rear mounted only the radiators
My Dad, Joe Carrano, worked in Payroll in Manhattan Office for 30 years. Laid off when company was sold. He knew the Pope’s and the legal staff. Still remember him working late around the holidays getting the bonus checks run and hand signed.
Does anyone know what brakes came on Walter dump trucks in the mid 1960’s -1980?
I have a 1961 Nelson model 200 serial 24918. Runs good . looks good. all windows are still in it. and the fan in the cab still works as it should.asking $5.500 for it.
The Reading Railroad bought several of the smaller crawler cranes and mounted them. In Gondola cars,later flat cars. Would these be in the first book?
Depending on the version of the 855, 250 is low-end in the HP range. With the limited use plow trucks get throughout the year, that engine should last almost forever @250 hp.
This truck will be used for parades, truck shows, hauling some mulch for the house and general just driving around. It will run about 60 mph in “15” at about 2100 rpm.
Is the hess snow plow truck available in a toy truck for purchase
I just put an eye on Apple plans ; KW Dart remains at the same place it was spotted five years ago !
Very handsome. Looks very european !
The information shared is of top quality which has to get appreciated at all levels. Well done…
Found nelson loader tie clasp in box of my father’s things
I remember when I was boy and Fresh Meadows was under construction (1948-1949), the Colonial Sand and Gravel trucks with their bold white and red lettering making deliveries. I am remembering that the name was Sand and Gravel not Sand and Stone. I could be wrong, it was a lone time ago.
Hilarious, rv guys…maxxforce is junk on every website….but low and behold they will go on every one and say ….found such a great deal on a maxxforce….please tell me mine will be different and it will be the best….too funny….they are cheaper for a reason….but in all Fairness some of these truck shops have really nice lounges…family could make a holiday of it.
I believe the Gerosa is an early 1950 or late 1940’s. If it were a 52, it would sport the Autocar driver cab introduced in 1950.
Is this Mike B place on Rt30?
they are call “demountable rim” not “dayton rims”. Dayton company was a company that made demountable rims but not called daytons. like Kleenex is a company that makes tissue paper.
newer wheels are “steel disc wheels”, two types BSN and FN. Ball seat nut or stud piloted wheels, they are ones with left and right handed threaded lug nuts. Then Flanged nut or hub piloted wheels, the newest and most popular wheel setup. they center on steps around the hubs center diameter.
all of these wheel and rims are available in tube-type or tubeless configuration, thought type is rare.
BSN or stub piloted wheels are sometimes called “budds”
There is currently what I am certain is a former Suit-Kote Brock 761, a 1976 model that’s currently just a cab and chassis listed for sale at Adelman’s truck parts Canton, OH yard for a shade over $8k…..besides the colors I’m certain it’s one of their old trucks for several reasons, it’s a 290 Cummins, 8LL, 44k Rockwell rears with a long but not too long wheelbase and a good bit of overhand behind the rears, and it’s got the weird driver’s side only horn setup and single stack with partial length guard that Suit-Kote runs on basically everything they have. That place is a scrap yard and they WILL cut that truck up if it doesn’t sell soon. Hopefully somebody with deeper pockets than me can save it….to me it’s a $4,000 truck….maybe 5 if the cab is more solid than the single picture makes it look, but I have to buy at bottom dollar and I could see it being worth more to someone who would want to fix it up cosmetically and show it. I’d have to put it to work.
I have a nice grill from a 1934-35 Stewart truck built in Buffalo, NY at the Pierce Arrow plant. My Dad used the truck in Pennsylvania for his welding service. He left the truck on his father’s farm and joined the army to serve in WW II. He returned a combat veteran and chose another career. When my grandfather passed the farm was sold after all the old vehicles were removed. I salvaged the grill as a memorial to my father. Now, it is time to find a home for it. Any offers or proposals will be considered.
Thank you for writing this it was my family’s company – sadly after my uncle died suddenly without a will we lost the business to his estranged wife who he was married to in the legal sense only. I’m very sorry to the workers and community at large, that this happened I understand they are not treated as well as they had been.
I hope people understand this was not the family abandoning the company and its employees for a pay day. Nobody wishes this hadn’t happened more than us, we had deep ties to that company and the people that worked there.
Thank you for stopping by and sharing your story.
Winkleman came to Sago WV in 1975 to do site preparation for a coal mine and coal prep plant. I ran an S24 scraper and a D9 on the project. It is the same mine that had an explosion in 2006 trapping 13 miners, only 1 survived.
Sweet pics! That’s a DM800 though.
Something as simple as that light blue GMC single axle tractor with the Detroit is enough for me. But that flatbed with the studebaker wow!
That’s different. Must spend most of the time in the field. But, with those “Mud Shoes” on, I bet that it doesn’t haul that lowboy, most of the time! Great catch Eric!!!
Indeed! I’m on the trail of a few others as well.
This show is like Lizard Lick,South Beach Towing. Fake!!!!! I’ve repoed big rigs,if I had a tv show following me around I would act fake too!!!!!!!!!
I work for Caccamise the next time we have this truck out I’ll video it for you
Need prop shaft for yellow bus international 160
Proud new owner of this gem of a rig!
going to the restore barn
Hi Eric, You were is my neighborhood. Sorry I missed your stop at Town of Salisbury Highway. That is one big beast!!! The old saying is “The Snow was “THAT DEEP”!!! LOL! Happy hunting
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I’m a retired Town of Manlius hwy. employee. The year they got rid of the Walters myself and another employee drove it to the auction block. It was last used in the blizzard of 93. It was one of two the town got rid of.
I tried to leave some pictures. However I couldn’t figure it out. I run the page on Facebook and was gonna put all the pictures up. I’ve driven the 67 and 77 definitely fun to drive. Our Autocar history goes like the following.
1) 1941 Autocar-First new Engine
— Currently owned by member
2) 1949 Autocar Engine
— Can not locate past a certain pt.
3) 1960 Autocar Engine.
— This Engine was involved in a accident responding to a call and was sold. It was repaired and saw service with Bethel & Avondale, Pa. Currently owned by Avondale mbr.
4) 1961 Autocar Engine inclosed cab. Bought from Elsmere Fire Co. To replace the 1960. It was found and purchased by a Hockessin past Chief. He brought it back to Delaware and donated it back to Elsmere Fire Co. Where it reside today.
5) 1967 Autocar Engine 19-2. Completely restored by professionals. She has her own bay at HFC
— Owned by Hockessin Fire Co.
6) 1977 Autocar Heavy Rescue with walk in Hamerly body.
— Currently owned by a member
Is this group still active?
Thanks
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I also have something to share. A very great toy store
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Wow, a big truck it is
Hi, Does anyone have a picture of the dump body side that was used as the sign at the entrance of the Thiele body plant in Windber Pa before it closed ? Thanks
They need to bring ice road truckers back on the I liked watching the ice road truckers
Why don’t you bring ice road truckers back on tv really soon
My father designed and engineered for Diamond Reo in the 1960s and up to 1974 in Lansing Mich. He was very proud of the rigs they built comparing them to Kenworth and Peterbuilt .
I remember going to the factory with him sometimes on Saturday mornings for special needs on a over the road rigs. He would let me wonder around the production line and look at all the trucks he showed how to work the air ri8de seats so I had a blast climing up in them big trucks and raising the seats up to bounch around on like I driving down the highways. Good times I will never forget!
Caught me on a job site Tractor is a 2001 Peterbilt with a C16, 600 hp Cat engine. 20,000 lb steer axle with 46,000, 2-speed rears and 18-speed transmission. Truck was Spec as a Heavy Haul and I ran it for over 20 years pulling mostly a 2+2+2 Fontaine stretch running all 48 lower US states Mexico, Canada, and Alaska with my wife in the passenger seat while leased to Daily Express
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